Frustrated with KOTOR2

CrimHead · Nov 9, 2010

So I'm playing KOTOR 2. The writing is good. I like the writing. The characters, hey, they're perfectly fine. The gameplay, RPG elements, user interface, and character customization, however, are all shit. 100% consolized shit. The same could be said about Torment (save the consolized part, of course) but one thing Torment had going for it was the AMOUNT of dialouge. You'd spend more time in that game talking to people and reading descriptions than actually struggling with the akward combat, so it all worked in Torment's favor. KOTOR2 is just popamole. The combat is worse than the Witcher's. I didn't even think that possible, but apparently it is. At least in the Witcher you couldn't just be passive the whole fight. In KOTOR lock-ons are automatic and your party members are programed to do the correct thing always. I tried a difficulty mod once but forget it, the AI is just too retarded. Party members give their AI priority over direct user commands. A game can stand up on writing alone, Torment stands as a testament to that, but a game has to have a lot of it. KOTOR2's excellent writing and character development get mired down by so much unfinished content, bugs, and consolized features that I can't be arsed to play it to the finish. I really wanted to like the game, considering the amount of praise it gets here. I'm 15 hours in and there doesn't seem to be any redemption in sight. DOES THIS SHITTER EVER GET GOOD?

Havoc · Nov 9, 2010

It's SHIT!

Kz3r0 · Nov 9, 2010

Funny how everyone complains about the retardness of your companions and now they are too smart, LOLOLOLOL.
Seriously, Kotor games were intended for Star-Wars Consoletards from the get-go, the fact that they could have been great games does very little to redeem them.
I liked them tho.

SimpleComplexity · Nov 9, 2010

Havoc said:
It's SHIT!

MicoSelva · Nov 9, 2010

CrimHead said:
I'm 15 hours in and there doesn't seem to be any redemption in sight. DOES THIS SHITTER EVER GET GOOD?

It gets worse near the end, when half of the game was cut out in order to release it during holiday season. Marketing, ahoy!

chzr · Nov 9, 2010

CrimHead said:
The writing is good. I like the writing. The characters, hey, they're perfectly fine. The gameplay, RPG elements, user interface, and character customization, however, are all shit. 100% consolized shit.

stop with those new vegas threads ffs

Lyric Suite · Nov 9, 2010

CrimHead said:
The same could be said about Torment

I remember stats having a much larger role in Torment then they did in KotOR, for one thing.

CrimHead · Nov 9, 2010

Yeah that's definitely true.

Scream Phoenix · Nov 9, 2010

Revan

Roguey · Nov 9, 2010

I hope the resident KOTOR expert chimes in on this. That fellow who played the first one seven times and the second one four and likely thought it got better each and every time he played it. He'd surely provide a definitive answer.

Glyphwright · Nov 9, 2010

Blame Bioware, they made the engine, character system, and so on.

Xor · Nov 9, 2010

The best part about KOTOR2 is the writing, and if you aren't having any fun playing it just read the LP for that:
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/KOTOR%202/

It was worth the read, at least for me.

desocupado · Nov 9, 2010

I actually liked KOTOR 1 more than KOTOR 2. To me, Bioware's standard game plot wasn't so worn out at the time, and the game was pretty new to me.

When I started playing KOTOR 2, I was liking it a lot, but then it started with "let's go to planet x and kill a lot of guys", and that SHIT ending. Left a bitter taste.

Darth Roxor · Nov 9, 2010

Roguey said:
I hope the resident KOTOR expert chimes in on this. That fellow who played the first one seven times and the second one four and likely thought it got better each and every time he played it. He'd surely provide a definitive answer.

You bellowed?

Kron · Nov 9, 2010

The ending, for god's sake!

THE ENDING!!!!

After enduring hours of horrible combat, disappearing characters and unexplained plot twists, expecting to see a proper close to the story... that ending scarred me like few games have before.

RK47 · Nov 9, 2010

Playing it will only break your heart, despite good writing, everything remains unresolved in the finale, and the sequel will never come. Too many goddamn loose ends. Just go read the Let's Play by Scorchy from Something Awful. - It's not worth suffering through >_<.

hoochimama · Nov 9, 2010

The possibility of a sequel and a resolution existed until bio decided to turn it into a boss fight for its MMO.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pax-1 ... ars/704084

Eyeball · Nov 9, 2010

Fuck KOTOR2. Kreia ruined it.

Havoc · Nov 9, 2010

Eyeball said:
Fuck KOTOR2. Kreia ruined it.

Why, my newfag friend?

Eyeball · Nov 9, 2010

Because the game never, ever seemed to provide you with any justification for keeping the old bitch aboard your spaceship. She was CLEARLY evil and twofaced from the first five minutes you knew her, yet you don't get the option to dump her ass on an asteroid somewhere, even after she tells you about all the stuff she's done previously? Her old friends, her old pupils, the fact that she practically has "I am a lying, conniving bitch using you for my own ends" tattooed on her forehead? Just how fucking dumb is the Exile to let this hag tell him how to do ANYTHING?

I consider Kreia to be a shittier SW character than Jar Jar Binks. She is just that fucking awfully written and completely shoehorned into the storyline, and since the game does to a large extent revolve around Kreia, the overall game suffers hugely.

Havoc · Nov 9, 2010

Well... I like the character, but not the handling of her. It's true that you can't just eject her, but she always says that she will teach you something new and being an Exile and a Wound in the Force, it's kinda good to have a teacher.

Darth Roxor · Nov 9, 2010

Eyeball said:
Because the game never, ever seemed to provide you with any justification for keeping the old bitch aboard your spaceship.

Following the narrative is teh hard. Remember that bit about the powerful force bond that might get you killed if she dies? Yeah, that's a good reason to keep her close and let no harm happen to her.

Even if that is a lie, but it's not revealed for the better part of the game.

Eyeball · Nov 9, 2010

Darth Roxor said:
Eyeball said:

Because the game never, ever seemed to provide you with any justification for keeping the old bitch aboard your spaceship.

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Following the narrative is teh hard. Remember that bit about the powerful force bond that might get you killed if she dies?

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Shoehorning bullshit.

"We wrote this character, and she's a totally unlikeable fuckface that nobody in their right mind would keep around, so let's just make up some bullshit reason for why you have to keep her in your party and justify it with magical Force dickniggery."

"cuz of the foz" has been SW's greatest excuse for unbelievable, shit writing for ages, and it makes me want to hurl. When you need to justify huge important things occurring in your storyline by inventing new aspects of The Foz that even George Lucas would think stupid, you probably need to go back to working on your basic writing skills before getting carried away with all the lasers and spaceships and alien whores with dicks growing out their heads.

Darth Roxor · Nov 9, 2010

Eyeball said:
There's no reason for her to stay!!!!!!

Darth Roxor said:
Uh, yes, there is

Eyeball said:
SHOEHORNING BULLSHIT WAAAAAAAAH

Eyeball · Nov 9, 2010

But yes. If the writers had attempted to make the character's attachment to the PC even remotely plausible, it would make some semblance of sense. Instead it's just "Oh hi, we're linked through the Foz, don't ask me why, lol, but you're stuck with my sour, old ass for the rest of the game. Oh, and I'm a backstabbing bitch."

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