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Demon's Souls

Xi

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http://www.demons-souls.com/

I've been compelled to create this topic on pure nostalgic memories alone. You see, from my former glory days of parading through the dungeons of King's Field, I've come to desire such dungeon romping experiences in the next generation of graphics. Challenge, puzzels, traps, and a light RPG layer over the top. Very similar to the Rogue-Like agenda, but with more of a focus on graphical GUIs and simplified input of character control(To an extent).

So, with that said, naturally I've become intrigued by this title, as it was made by the same developer as King's Field.(From Software) Being a company located in the heart of decadent Japanese tentacle porn, and animeish RPGs boasting compensatorily massive swords, From Software acted differently with those former titles. Maybe it's mostly a nostalgic memory combined with a masochistic nature, but I remember those games fondly.(Probably the most enjoyable experience I've had with any console - strangely enough)

Those fond memories have invigorated my desire to explore what Demon's Souls is all about, especially since they called it the Spiritual Successor to King's Field, in anticipation of maybe someday playing it, and also in a fruitful desire to spread it's seeds.(I want it to grow within each of you, maybe wither in some, but definitely grow in those biologically inclined, or operantly predisposed, to liking such things!)

With that all said, let us all delve into the depths of this new beast:(I have not removed this information from a hype induced, media outlet whom take pay in return for ratings.)


RPG Elements:

Classes: Link

In Demon's Souls, you don't progress through levels like you would in a typical RPG. Instead, you have a soul level. When you first begin the game, you'll be able to choose from one of several classes. The choice you make affects the equipment with which you begin your adventure. It's even possible to start with access to healing magic.

Knight
Priest
Thief
Magician
Temple Knight
Soldier
Wanderer
Barbarian
Royal (Royalty)
Hunter


Stats: Link Video

As you advance through the game, you'll soon pass the first real stage. You can then begin spending souls to increase your own soul level. Each time you turn in souls for a new soul level, you can upgrade one statistic (out of eight options). Then you'll have to reach another soul level before you can pick a stat to upgrade. Whether you pour all of your upgrades into one category or space it out, the cost to reach the next soul level will increase by the same amount.

Vitality - Raises Maximum HP and Maximum Carrying Weight
Will - Raises Maximum MP and number of Magic memorization slots
Endurance- Raises Maximum Stamina, Maximum Equipped Weight, and Fire, Poison, and Bleed Resistance
Strength - Increases Physical Damage, required for many weapons and shields
Dexterity - Increases Physical Damage, increases 'experience' (reduces falling damage), required for many weapons
Magic - Increases Magic power, required for some weapons
Faith - Increases Miracle power, and number of Miracle memorization slots, Magic Damage resistance, required for some weapons
Luck - Increases Item drop rates and Disease Resistance

**Note that increasing ANY stat increases Physical Defense the same, so no matter how you distribute your stat increases, two characters at the same soul level will have the same Defense. The higher your soul level is, the less damage you take from basic physical attacks - this does NOT help you against non-physical damage however.

**Weapons and shields have stat requirements to be used effectively. Armor does not, but most stronger armor is very heavy, necessitating high Vit and End scores to use it effectively.

Equipment System: Link

One of the most unique aspects of Demon's Souls' combat is equipment management. Unlike most RPGs, the equipment you start the game with may, in many cases, end up being the equipment you end the game with, particularly the armor. Rather than offering more powerful weapons and equipment as the game progresses, all the weapons and armor are balanced against each other based on weight and defensive/offensive properties. A character with high endurance may want to wear the heaviest plate armor he can find, while a mage whose soul levels are placed elsewhere will have to rely on cloth armor. To make things more interesting, while each character has a maximum equip weight, using more than half that will severely hinder your mobility, causing you to run slower and making it harder to dodge. Players will have to find a balance between defense and mobility that works best for their playstyle. There's a lot more than just stats to take into account when choosing equipment.

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Gameplay:

Combat:

demons-souls-review_01.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkJmgGw ... re=related

Demon's Souls combat system is unique. Let's do the button breakdown. R1 is a normal attack, R2 is a heavy attack, L1 is your shield, and L2 is a shield thrust. Triangle fixates your character to either a one-handed weapon or a two-handed weapon, Square is for items, and Circle is held to run or pressed with the analog stick to roll. Then your arrow buttons let you switch weapons and items. The main two things you'll do — slashing your sword and running — requires stamina, which you'll run out of fast.
You really have to think about what you do. Unfamiliar enemies can literally kill you in two hits. You could slash through a whole level taking out enemy after enemy then run into a knight with a glowing helmet and think "maybe I shouldn't go this way". You won't even be warned, it'll just happen. One, two and you're dead. You think maybe you can run past him and hit him from behind. However, since both running and fighting decreases your stamina bar by a lot, you may get only one hit on him. These are the kinds of things that will run through your mind when you play this game. In essence, it's really what makes the game so great; that fear and excitement mashed together.


Bosses: Link

Demon's Souls is a brutal, bleak action combat RPG that pits your lone character against a universe full of violent demons. They range from former human soldiers to agile, double scimitar-wielding skeletons, pouncing flame-creatures, octopus-headed guards, embryonic plague-carrying monstrosities, even Death himself. The game's five worlds - all massive - are split into four different sections, each guarded by a horribly large and hardcore boss monster. Everything in the entire world is designed to kill you, quickly and often without warning.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZPE83Md ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duj4ILdx ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWGj1QoA ... re=related

Will add more later.
 

Damned Registrations

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So do classes ONLY affect your starting gear? Sounds interesting based on the levelling system works then, assuming there isn't some stupidly low stat cap that forces you to become a tankmage once you get past level suck. Always enjoyed playing glass cannons myself, looks like this game allows for it quite well.
 

Turisas

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Guess I'll play this in 2019 when there's a working PS3 emulator available.
 

Xi

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Turisas said:
Guess I'll play this in 2019 when there's a working PS3 emulator available.

That's the major downside really. If it had a PC version I'd be all over it, however, my current PC would questionably run it anyway. Haha ;P (Onlive omg!)
 

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Turisas said:
Guess I'll play this in 2019 when there's a working PS3 emulator available.

Shit, PS3 slims are pretty cheap now. Cheaper in fact that what I paid for my last video card (GTX285 not to mention the fact that I bought two of them).

I bought a slim just to play this game.
 

Turisas

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But it's still a filthy console, and such things are not welcome into my abode.
 

Xi

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Turisas said:
But it's still a filthy console, and such things are not welcome into my abode.

Comformity of a traditionally non-comformist group is still comformity. Fucktard.

A good game is good regardless of platform, just like a shit game is still shit on PC.
 

AlaCarcuss

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Xi said:
Turisas said:
But it's still a filthy console, and such things are not welcome into my abode.

Comformity of a traditionally non-comformist group is still comformity. Fucktard.

A good game is good regardless of platform, just like a shit game is still shit on PC.

Heh, yeah. I've never understood this sort of attitude, unless it's just to earn some codex points of course. Hell, I also bought an original xbawx just so I could play Ninja Gaiden (which is a better game than pretty much anything released on PC in the last 10 years).
 

obediah

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This game is sweet for what it is. It would almost certainly be more fun in first person on the PC. Playing this game is more fun than waiting for a PC game that will never come.
 

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AlaCarcuss said:
Shit, PS3 slims are pretty cheap now. Cheaper in fact that what I paid for my last video card (GTX285 not to mention the fact that I bought two of them).

I bought a slim just to play this game.
AlaCarcuss said:
Hell, I also bought an original xbawx just so I could play Ninja Gaiden (which is a better game than pretty much anything released on PC in the last 10 years).
Fools like this is the reason we have to deal with exclusives. Also, cheaper than your graphics card means pretty much nothing since you made sure to buy the card(s) with the worst price/performance ratio. Even if we're only talking Nvidia cards, since you bought two for SLI, that nets you a far worse price/performance ratio than even a GTX 295. Congratulations. At least you didn't get two GTX 295 for quad SLI though! :o
 

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Xi said:
Comformity of a traditionally non-comformist group is still comformity. Fucktard.

A good game is good regardless of platform, just like a shit game is still shit on PC.

Naw I just don't like gamepads very much, to be honest. Plus I'd never buy a system for just one game - even if you could sell it afterwards. There just isn't anything else on PS3 that'd interest me even the tiniest bit. Demon's Souls looks like something I'd grab in an instant if it was available for the PC, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Edit: Regarding my first point tho - PS3 is supposed to have mouse & KB support, yes? Does that work for every game and can you map your own keys, or what's the deal with that?
 

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vrok said:
AlaCarcuss said:
Shit, PS3 slims are pretty cheap now. Cheaper in fact that what I paid for my last video card (GTX285 not to mention the fact that I bought two of them).

I bought a slim just to play this game.
AlaCarcuss said:
Hell, I also bought an original xbawx just so I could play Ninja Gaiden (which is a better game than pretty much anything released on PC in the last 10 years).
Fools like this is the reason we have to deal with exclusives. Also, cheaper than your graphics card means pretty much nothing since you made sure to buy the card(s) with the worst price/performance ratio. Even if we're only talking Nvidia cards, since you bought two for SLI, that nets you a far worse price/performance ratio than even a GTX 295. Congratulations. At least you didn't get two GTX 295 for quad SLI though! :o

Well actually dickbreath, I didn't buy the 285's at the same time and both were on sale when I bought them. And, I bought the first one for a very specific reason. I play racing sims on a tripple screen set up using SoftTH, which doesn't support SLI so I simply needed the most powerful single card available at the time to drive the 3 screens.

The second one I picked up some time later when they were on sale again - yes so I could play other games on single screen with SLI.

Of course I also play other games than the ones I mentioned on the consoles, just NG and DS where the deciding factor in me finally taking the plunge. What the fuck is your point anyway? Fucking moron.

BTW - I much prefer exclusives to cross-platform realeases, it means no compromises need to be made and the game can be optimized for that particular platform.
 

vrok

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Not my fault you wrote "just to play this game", and then did it again with NG, when you apparently meant mostly. My point was that your demonstrated sense of value is/was a complete clusterfuck and as such renders your opinion on what these games are worth, and consequently how good they are, utterly useless. That was all.
 

Oarfish

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So do classes ONLY affect your starting gear? Sounds interesting based on the levelling system works then, assuming there isn't some stupidly low stat cap that forces you to become a tankmage once you get past level suck. Always enjoyed playing glass cannons myself, looks like this game allows for it quite well.

Class effects your stats too, with some classes having higher total starting stats than others to compensate for less equipment. Glass cannon builds would probably be the agility fighters (wanderer/barbarian) or thief (buckler parry/riposte and backstabs are easiest). Barbarians are bloody hard to play and wanderers lack both ranged/magic and the high luck required to find healing stuff on every other corpse.

High agility can more than compensate for heavy armour, but it does require more skill.
 

Xi

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vrok said:
Not my fault you wrote "just to play this game", and then did it again with NG, when you apparently meant mostly. My point was that your demonstrated sense of value is/was a complete clusterfuck and as such renders your opinion on what these games are worth, and consequently how good they are, utterly useless. That was all.

Considering that it costs $100 more than a Bluray Player, I'd wager that your comment means jack shit. Not only does it play games, it's also a device that can act as a DVD and Bluray player. Not to mention the Media capabilities, etc. Hardly a waste for any gamer, especially a gamer that enjoys those added features(which you should - Bluray looks awesome) ;P

In fact, I own a Bluray player, and now I'm kicking myself for not buying a PS3 instead. It's hardly a waste.
 

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vrok said:
Fools like this is the reason we have to deal with exclusives.

Awe, vrok is poor and hates it when people can spend more than him.

He also seems to hate it when developers build a game designed to run well on one platform rather than games written for abstract middleware that run like ugly dogs on 3 platforms.
 

Xi

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Anyone care to review this beast yet? Or better yet, an LP of one of the in-game areas!
 

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Review: the game is awesome.

Been playing it for the last two weeks, damn solid stuff.
 

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