If Bioware had not ressuciated the rpg genre...

Andhaira · Mar 5, 2008

...how would crpg waters look like today?

See the thing about the IE games were that they were a HUGE commercial AND cult success. They proved rpg's could look gorgeous, make a ton of money, have a fantastic plot and great combat and tel a decent story. Praise fallout as much as you want. thing is fallout was not near as much a success as the IE games.

So if there had been no IE games we would only have had fallout 2, and wizardry 8. Not enough to make the rpg breakthrough people were looking for. IMO the rpg genre was in dire straits, and would have gone the way of the adventure genre, had the iE games not rescued it. We might have been stuck with indies only.

Your thougts?

dagorkan · Mar 5, 2008

Homofaggotry

vrok · Mar 5, 2008

JarlFrank · Mar 5, 2008

Well, BG resurrected the genre in some way, but it would have gone on without it, I guess. And maybe it would be less commercialized now. But I surely would miss the greatness of the Infinity Engine... it just was so beautiful, I always felt it to be the epitome of RPG engines.

But someone else would have appeared and revived RPGs. It's the way of things. Nothing ever depends just on a certain company or person, well, mostly, that is. If Bioware didn't do it, others would have.

spacemoose · Mar 5, 2008

there would definitely be less furries thats for sure

Andhaira · Mar 5, 2008

Hmm I don't no. At least, IMO crpg's would have gone in a different direction. The way of diablo, and gothic. That is, rpg's with char gen would have been out. ALso, turnbased or tbwp would have been out and we would only have the action baed real time combat of games like gothic.

fastpunk · Mar 5, 2008

It's hard to complain because Bioware's tech brought back the interest of devs in RPGs and D&D. Had they never made Infinity Engine, Planescape: Torment might have never existed... and that would have been very very sad. On the other hand you never know if PS:T would have eventually been created on some ultra cool engine with TB combat...

Whatever, Bioware is here to stay and their games are fun, which is okay. But nothing more.

Jaime Lannister · Mar 5, 2008

Andhaira said:
The way of diablo, and gothic.

what

play games before talking about them, please.

Herbert West · Mar 5, 2008

IE games were invaluable, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they resuscitated the genre. Nevertheles, they were very good and important.

Kingston · Mar 5, 2008

Andhaira would not be here.

Ratty · Mar 5, 2008

As I am unable to recall a single worthwhile mainstream CRPG produced in the last five years (if you don't count hybrids like Gothic), I can only conclude that the genre would have been a lot better off without BioWare's efforts to "resuscitate" it. Or, to put it differently, BioWare, the paragons of mediocrity and shitty design, have indeed done a swell job resuscitating the CRPG genre, to the point where I can hardly breathe from the putrid stench of its rotting, undead cadaver.

hotdognights · Mar 5, 2008

I'm inclined to think that the cRPG genre would be a hell of a lot better of it forgot D&D ever existed.

Volourn · Mar 5, 2008

"I'm inclined to think that the cRPG genre would be a hell of a lot better of it forgot D&D ever existed."

u r stupid

"As I am unable to recall a single worthwhile mainstream CRPG produced in the last five years (if you don't count hybrids like Gothic), I can only conclude that the genre would have been a lot better off without BioWare's efforts to "resuscitate" it. Or, to put it differently, BioWare, the paragons of mediocrity and shitty design, have indeed done a swell job resuscitating the CRPG genre, to the point where I can hardly breathe from the putrid stench of its rotting, undead cadaver."

u r stupider

That said, genres don't die. It's a myth. The (C)RPG genre would still be around BIO or no BIO.

mjorkerina · Mar 5, 2008

Your neck really is lacking the presence of a dagger cutting through the nerves controlling your body Andhaira. You should put one where it rightly belongs.

kingcomrade · Mar 5, 2008

I will post this in every andhaira thread

WhiskeyWolf · Mar 5, 2008

I prefer this one...

It's so BADASS

DefJam101 · Mar 5, 2008

Why aren't these 3-5 people getting banned exactly?

Lol internets or not, they are turning the Codex into a babbling pile of idiots. Or at least it appears that way, now.

I don't have a problem with forum trolls as long as they actually get banzord... That's part of trolling. Why are these same people still around? It's impossible to have a decent discussion.

Jaime Lannister · Mar 5, 2008

DraQ · Mar 5, 2008

May you get thrice violated by an obese, unwashed fursuiter, Andhaira.

Andyman Messiah · Mar 6, 2008

Andhaira said:
We might have been stuck with indies only.

What, you mean like we are now?

Saint_Proverbius · Mar 8, 2008

Fallout was 1997. Diablo was 1997. Fallout 2 was 1998. Baldur's Gate was 1998. The CRPG genre wasn't revived from death by Baldur's Gate, if anything Fallout and Diablo prove that. Fallout did well enough to spawn a quickie sequel which was released before Baldur's Gate.

In fact, I would say the success of Baldur's Gate did more harm than good to the CRPG genre than it helped it. After all, the ME TOO CRPGs following Baldur's Gate were mostly shit, such as Gorasul and a few other European clones of the game. It also locked Interplay in to churning out copies of BG clones right up until it disappeared from active existence. Interplay used to make fairly diverse CRPGs, but they relaxed on their asses making Infinity Engine ports until they folded.

crufty · Mar 8, 2008

Ultima VII was 1992. 16 years ago! Half of xbox live doesn't even know it exists.

Anyway, I viewed the infinity engine as a step down from ultima VII, but a step up from gold box. When shall the twain meet?

spacemoose · Mar 8, 2008

I just wandered into the bioware forums and holy shit have they got some NSDAP shit going on

DraQ · Mar 8, 2008

Spacemoose said:
I just wandered into the bioware forums and holy shit have they got some NSDAP shit going on

You mean like bethstapo?

Ausir · Mar 8, 2008

Andhaira said:
Hmm I don't no. At least, IMO crpg's would have gone in a different direction. The way of diablo, and gothic. That is, rpg's with char gen would have been out. ALso, turnbased or tbwp would have been out and we would only have the action baed real time combat of games like gothic.

Wait.. turn based would be out if not for BioWare's games, none of which were turn based?

If Bioware had not ressuciated the rpg genre...

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