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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: A pretty dumb MotB review |
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http://www.yougamers.com/reviews/14053_neverwinter_nights_2_mask_of_the_betrayer-page2/
77% because the game is hard and the technology is aged. And it's wordy.
| Quote: | | Combat: turn-based for better or worse |
That's the name of one of the chapters. Sounds both promising and deep.
| Quote: | | It's a good idea to keep a close eye on the damage you deal to your opponents, and the damage your character is receiving. |
That's a great advice. Not as awesome as "pay attention to your screen while playing games", but still pretty good and incredibly helpful.
| Quote: | | Later on I was told that my character build just wasn't up to par |
Considering how easy the game was, that must have been some build.
| Quote: | | ...this means a lot of effort and quite a bit of headache trying to figure out the best items, weapons and spells for your character and companions. |
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| Quote: | | While the original campaign told a story written and paced for teenage gamers, Mask of the Betrayer is better suited to more mature gamers: there are many disturbing themes, and the player is faced with tough decisions. |
My goodness! How on Earth are the children supposed to play such a game?
| Quote: | | The writing is of high quality throughout, although I have to say it's somewhat wordy. |
Wordy? Well, if you mean that MotB's sentences tend to be a bit longer than "do you have quests? give me quests!", then yes, the game is ... wordy.
| Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer is a chilling, almost horror-like adventure... |
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| Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer is a great epic level fantasy role playing campaign, based on aging and limited technology... |
Kids these days.
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All these "negatives" he's mentioning I consider plusses. Everything could have been better, of course, but Motb is still the best gaming experience I've had so far on the 00's.
And on a related note, after reading so much about how awesome Witcher is I'm going to give it a try now this weekend. Let's see if it's truly the second coming of slightly good rpgs.
Nice new title, VD! 
Edit: | Quote: | | Neverwinter Nights newbies will have a hard time with Mask of the Betrayer. |
Hmm... I guess he means I should have failed a lot more than I did. I died once when I was on my way to the academy and got OMG SPOILER attacked by bowmen on towers!!! Ain't no way my dualwielding drow ranger could handle that and that loser Safiyas spells were simply not up to par with the MILLIONS OF BOWMEN ATTACKING US! UP ON BIG FUCKOFF TOWERS!!! That made me die once. Then I reloaded and ran past them motherfuckers. Hell yeah.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Forgetting something?
| Quote: | Gameplay - 78
Mask of the Betrayer has solid writing and all the trappings of a great RPG title, but feels boxed in by the level design. Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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LOL! VD can't run from himself.
but I've enjoyed this sarcastic review of the review.
| Quote: | | The writing is of high quality throughout, although I have to say it's somewhat wordy. |
idiot.
| Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer is a chilling, almost horror-like adventure... |
everything old-school is chilling to newbs these days
| Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer is a great epic level fantasy role playing campaign, based on aging and limited technology... |
yes. it does not have hdr.
| Quote: | | in the post-Oblivion era |
speechless.
edit> newspost this please.
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Also: Publisher: 3D Realms Entertainment
What the fuck, son?! Was the boxart "too wordy" as well or is this a brainfart of the most terminal kind?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That's a great advice. Not as awesome as "pay attention to your screen while playing games", but still pretty good and incredibly helpful. |
Pro-tip: shoot the Betrayer until it dies.
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I don't want to waste any time with such level of journalism, this is serious: even this is high standard journalism compared to this, which I'm not surprised about, considering that game "journalists" are usually those who didn't get a job even in tabloids.
In fact it a title like "Sub-tabloid writer makes dumb MotB review" would also fit it like a glove.
| Quote: | | Combat: turn-based for better or worse |
I guess he meant his head was turning because he found it too hard to understand combat mechanics of the game while he pondered why he was such a loser in anything that isn't dumbed down.
| Quote: | | ...this means a lot of effort and quite a bit of headache trying to figure out the best items, weapons and spells for your character and companions. |
He should play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Empire Earth 1 or, the best suggestion of all, Commandos: I'm sure they'll be enlightening experiences for him.
| crakkie wrote: | | Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer is a great epic level fantasy role playing campaign, based on aging and limited technology... |
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Mask of the Betrayer has solid writing and all the trappings of a great RPG title, but feels boxed in by the level design. Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
I guess things like Radiant AI and level scaling are the cutting edge of gaming technology for this individual.
| Quote: | | Publisher: 3D Realms Entertainment |
I think he should make a Duke Nukem Forever review, I'm sure he is going to have much more success with it.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Locue wrote: | Also: Publisher: 3D Realms Entertainment
What the fuck, son?! Was the boxart "too wordy" as well or is this a brainfart of the most terminal kind? |
I like the user rating over there. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
...someone tell me what the fucking plates, bowls, and thousands of cutleries in Oblivion are for then.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| RK47 wrote: | | Quote: | | Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
...someone tell me what the fucking plates, bowls, and thousands of cutleries in Oblivion are for then. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_BRdgY8lvM&feature=related
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......Oh fuck. How stupid of me, they should let me play dominos with all the +1 swords and daggers I picked up in MOTB. Fucking shit, that is a great use of physics engine man.
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| Jaime Lannister wrote: | | RK47 wrote: | | Quote: | | Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
...someone tell me what the fucking plates, bowls, and thousands of cutleries in Oblivion are for then. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_BRdgY8lvM&feature=related |
finally there's something interesting to do in Oblivion. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| RK47 wrote: | | Quote: | | Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
...someone tell me what the fucking plates, bowls, and thousands of cutleries in Oblivion are for then. |
Evil deeds. Of course. A good story of high adventure and intrigue requires fine china.
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| youtube retard wrote: | | is this a download? because i now own oblivion and want this... |
Bethesda. Could. Make. So. Much. Money.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Mask of the Betrayer has solid writing and all the trappings of a great RPG title, but feels boxed in by the level design. Too much of what you see is just a visual prop, and in the post-Oblivion era, that's just not good enough. |
Someone's been reading Matt Peckham, he made a similar complaint about NWN2.
| Matt Peckham wrote: | | and blame this on games like Oblivion -- NWN2's levels feel pint-sized: Peewee zones inhabited by pull-string NPCs with no existence to speak of beyond their little playpens. Wander and you'll wonder why the forests, towns, and dungeons are like movie lots with lay-about monsters waiting patiently for you to trip their arbitrary triggers. As if the pencil and paper "module" approach were a virtue that computers -- by now demonstrably capable of simulating entire worlds with considerably more depth -- should emulate. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Jaime Lannister wrote: | | youtube retard wrote: | | is this a download? because i now own oblivion and want this... |
Bethesda. Could. Make. So. Much. Money. |
It gets even funnier:
| another youtube user wrote: | | lol its soo obvious its fake and if its not you must of spent hours doin that. Im a lvl 74 on oblivion (cheats) and even i cant do that. Fake but gr8 vid man!!!!!!!!!!! |
and the reply:
| someone from teh codex? wrote: | Yeah, you got me there, it's all photoshopped.
Erm... seriously, this is just as fake as the rest of the game. |
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My favourite news poster is back and he's posting news in General RPG Discussion!
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| Quote: | | someone from teh codex? |
a mystarious ally!
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| skyway wrote: | | Quote: | | someone from teh codex? |
a mystarious ally! |
Skyway all the way! BTW This guy has above 12000 posts and still his trying to explain himself as if he would be a 10 year-old (maybe even younger). |
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This rates pretty high on my "silliness" scale.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Claw wrote: | My favourite news poster is back and he's posting news in General RPG Discussion!
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That's how I used to post in the old days before I became a staff member.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: A pretty dumb MotB review |
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As the author of the YouGamers Mask of the Betrayer review, allow me to respond to your criticism.
Vault Dweller did a fair job of quoting the review out of context and adding his sardonic comments. I find it difficult to be offended by this tactic, and unnecessary to defend each point. You'll certainly understand what I meant if you bother up checking the context (in other words, reading the review).
However, the real issue seems to be the final score of 77%. Game reviewing is a very subjective field, so it's unavoidable that different people have different views on how highly a game should be rated. That's why I try to bring up positive and negative aspects of each game in the review text, as objectively as I can. For the various percentage scores, our <a href="http://www.yougamers.com/aboutus/methodology/">YouGamers scoring methodology</a> will be the final deciding factor.
YG emphasizes the tech aspect of PC games probably more than any other game review site, and NWN2:MotB is terribly lacking in that area. A tech score of 65% pulls MotB's final score below the "very good" mark of 80%+. However, the game being wordy (can you say you never skipped any of the conversations?) didn't affect the final score one way or the other, contrary to your assumption. Quite the opposite, in fact - the MotB campaign's consistently good writing helped elevate the score quite a bit.
Thanks for reading our review, and I hope I was able to clear some misconceptions about the final score I gave to Mask of the Betrayer. To those of you who took the time to <a href="http://www.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=761339">write a response</a> or even register on our forums: I'm sure other YouGamers readers would appreciate your insight into Mask of the Betrayer. Claiming errors or inaccuracies in the review, real or not, isn't nearly as interesting as hearing your opinions of a game you probably have a lot of experience playing. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: A pretty dumb MotB review |
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| anttiYG wrote: | | Vault Dweller did a fair job of quoting the review out of context and adding his sardonic comments. |
I see you are new to the codex.
| anttiYG wrote: | | can you say you never skipped any of the conversations? |
... Yes.
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