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Let's play - Dragon Age: Origins (finished)
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Brother None
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Sceptic said:
We won't know. According to Volly, the sequence is:
- Deny your son any rights.
- Give the throne to Harrowmont
- Say you'll return to Orzammar at the final celebration sequence (Frith I hate that bit)
Then the ending cutscenes will tell you Harrowmont died and Bro ascended the throne. Right now, quite likely Bro's son, Bro Jr, will ascend the throne.
The above assuming Volly speaks true.
Nothing. Flemeth wont show up as long as Morrigan is in your party.lightbane said:
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Lesifoere said:
This is about the last thing you should be saying about this game. Fuck you, at least it runs on old computers and doesn't have never ending loading times. I'll give that to the game gladly. I won't give it that it's not a boring waste of time though, and that's what you should be focusing on, because this comment is a piece of shit and you should go to hell. I think for your punishment you should actually play this game and enjoy all the sweet grindan, oh yeah
Serious_Business said:
Butthurt detected.
The game could have looked great and still run on old computers, you know.
Now that I think about it, I love how blades and armors are as thick as books with the rugby player elbow pieces.
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denizsi said:
I am butthurt about everything really but I don't see how this shitty meme applies to what I said, I have an old computer so you can suck it, not sure but I am pleased that you thought I was pissed about it
Anyway fair point, I still think it's bullshit to whine about graphics, at least go for the art direction or something.
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Serious_Business said:
Well then. How shitty is your PC again?
I've noted many, many times over how shitty the writing is and how dumbfuck the unskippable dungeons are, girlfriend. With so many screenshots arranged one after another, though, the eyesore becomes extra obvious. It actually made me google up NWN2 screenshots for comparison and I was astounded at how little difference there was between the two.
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Lesifoere said:
I've had the exact same feeling all along as well. Not only does the game boast an enormous uncanny valley, it's also quite weak area-wise as well. Ferelden market? The obvious 2D mountains in backgrounds? It's been a huge disappointment - if they're making a game that's relying on many small areas (and the areas are smaller than in NWN OC), they could at least make them look detailed and good. Drakensang looked better, and that's a really wicked thing to say.
I'm not even talking about Risen and the level of detail and eyecandy in that game - and the fact that it worked much better and much more smoothly on my machine than DA. So yeah, DA doesn't even hold its weight for graphic whores in its own generation. Ow?
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The 2D backgrounds were the best; I lol'd when I first saw Ostagar and the vista in the background--which looked impressive for one split second before I realized what it was. Kind of like letting the viewer see your green/blue screen in a film.
Reminded me of some screen I forgot to share a while ago. In Ostagar, I fell from the cliff during the attack:
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Are you guys retarded? Those figures are essentially textured with background-quality textures because they are backgrounds.
"ohlulz look at the texture on those far-away mountains this game looks like crap"
"ohlulz look at the texture on those far-away mountains this game looks like crap"
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Um... That's exactly what we were saying, BN?
Point is though, if the locations are this small, and the surroundings and "grand combat" scenes are nothing but a 2D decoration, then why is the game otherwise as barren? For a game made for supposedly years, I would expect more attention to detail and overall better looks for the stuff that is 3D.
Sure, the faces are uncannyvallylicious, and the lips are syncing nicely, but I can stare at those lips and play with them only but for so long...
Mmm, lips.
Lesifoere said:
Point is though, if the locations are this small, and the surroundings and "grand combat" scenes are nothing but a 2D decoration, then why is the game otherwise as barren? For a game made for supposedly years, I would expect more attention to detail and overall better looks for the stuff that is 3D.
Sure, the faces are uncannyvallylicious, and the lips are syncing nicely, but I can stare at those lips and play with them only but for so long...
Mmm, lips.
Don't mind BN; he's also an Obsidian apologist. That should tell you a lot. In his mind, AAA studios are as good as small time indies so your criticism can never be valid, especially for such aspects beyond the core design.
shhh don't be butthurt hon, of course i'm exaggerating.
shhh don't be butthurt hon, of course i'm exaggerating.
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It's obvious that all half-decent programmers and artists have left the company and they should stick with licensed technology. However, I thought they'd use ultra-low poly models instead of blurry animated sprites.
Actually, all textures in this game look like crap with the exception of facial textures on several important characters.
More ugly pics are coming, bros.
Arl Eamon's Estate in Denerim. Easy xp obtainable from books scattered around.
We'll need a plan to take down Loghain.
Sure, walking into an obvious trap is a way to go.
Heh, this dude remind me of someone.
Earning easy money.
Time to upgrade light armor and experience probably the worst writing and voiceover in entire game.
Another try.
Suffering to the end. More crappy sidequests.
Breaking into this room provokes major butthurt among city guard you'll have to deal with.
A reward for "Friends of Red Jenny" quest.
Mysterious Door: The door open a crack in response to your knock. There is a light breeze, like a change in pressure.
Bro: Present the small painted box.
Mysterious Door: A large shadow nods. A pouch of coins appears in exchange.
Mysterious Door: The door closes.
Of course, only a party of four can deal with city problems.
Random encounter in the city. Pretty important one.
They were almost successful.
Moving to the next level.
The stuff I hate about this game - zero world reactivity. You start fighting just near NPCs' asses and yet they don't run away, call for guards or try to intervene.
Obvious Baldur's Gate reference is obvious.
Quaint Hovel: Notes acquired from dead or terrified adventurers have directed you to this unassuming door. The house is marked with the initials "VM."
Quaint Hovel: There is no answer, although there is clearly a light inside.
Quaint Hovel: After a pause, the door unlocks.
Gaxkang can alternate between arcane horror and revenant form. While his melee form is tough but nothing special, arcane horror is very annoying due to usage of Cone of Cold and Health Drain.
We managed to put a curse of mortality successfully on him.
Game over, man. Gaxkang drops strong single-handed sword Keening Blade and jewelry.
Wow, this quest is still active?
We're going to stop a second bunch of criminal scum.
And paint another door.
Criminal scum can't escape all-seeing GPS.
Gang Leader: You? We were about to send the boys to hunt you down.
Gang Leader: Boss says kill 'em!
Journal taken from knight's body reveals the location of blood mages hideout, one of the hardest areas in the whole game.
I want to bring you in for making boring quests!
The deserted building is our next stop.
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denizsi said:
You're not exaggerating, you're making shit up. When exactly have I been an Obsidian apologist? Who was it again that asked an Obsidian dev in an interview "hey dude why're your games so buggy"? Oh yeah, 't was me.
And I don't even understand what your third sentence is supposed to mean.
Angthoron said:
It took years because it was re-conceptualized at least once, and because its production oversight was shit.
Does Dragon Age look good? Not at all, but that has rarely been the priority for RPGs. Does it look good for an RPG? Good enough for me, at least. Graphical fidelity is irrelevant to me, though, graphical design is where I judge games, and Dragon Age is pretty tepid there too, never said otherwise.
Otherwise I'm not sure what you're trying to say with "2D decoration". Backgrounds in 3D engines are very often flat, if that's what you mean. That doesn't mean they still don't need to be created, or that running them in high textures would eat up unnecessary memory. And serve absolutely no function.
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Brother None said:
What I mean is, and I've said it previously, they try in vain to create a feel of a "world" in a "corridor" game. Anywhere you go, you're on rails, and I'm cool with that, as long as the world has something to actually offer to me. A sudden ambush, a curious quest, hell, I'd be desperate even for a cameo. There's nothing. No real point to explore, no real point to do side-quests. There's no world, and there's no hand-craftedness to the game either. NWN OC had more going on in its areas than DA, and I really hate saying that since NWN OC was bland as hell.
And I'm not sure it was about production oversight, in fact, I think that BioWare knew what they were doing perfectly - once they went console, they didn't want to go back. They wanted a next-gen console for the game, so they waited. Except honestly, they could've just done it on XBox 1, what with tiny area size and washed-out textures and lack of pretty much everything but occasional gleeful joy fun in the main plot.
I mean, look at this!
What the hell is this? I travelled half the game world and risked my ass for this? For a "mysterious door" to talk to me? No, really? How utterly half-ass is this? Imagine Fallout games chopping sidequests off like this - or Torment, or Arcanum. I'm not talking about just one or two side-quests, they're basically all like this if they're not related to either main plot or the group characters. It's actually at this point that I stopped playing, that door rubbish was the final straw of bullshit for me.
There's no world in this game. Just tiny personal play pens. And they're ugly, too.
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I thought we were talking graphics.
The opinion that BioWare's school of semi-linear boring slashfest games is...well...boring and lazy is not something I'll counter.
And I didn't say the game's quality is due to production "flaws", I'm saying its production length was too long. BioWare could do that as an independent, but no more.
The opinion that BioWare's school of semi-linear boring slashfest games is...well...boring and lazy is not something I'll counter.
And I didn't say the game's quality is due to production "flaws", I'm saying its production length was too long. BioWare could do that as an independent, but no more.
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Mh, true.
And I'm sort of putting everything into one basket here I guess. The game was hyped to high heavens, and the reviews in mainstream claim the graphics to be good - alas, they're not. There are some attractive moments, yes, and on the overall, the tech could be considered impressive, I suppose, but the end product is just weak.
And I'm sort of putting everything into one basket here I guess. The game was hyped to high heavens, and the reviews in mainstream claim the graphics to be good - alas, they're not. There are some attractive moments, yes, and on the overall, the tech could be considered impressive, I suppose, but the end product is just weak.
Brother None said:
FFS, it's not the same thing. If you did that too, that wouldn't make you just an apologist but also a complete utter moron, which you are not, obviously. Or maybe not, considering you're treating the two as one; you tell me.
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