VD's New Vegas review is up at NMA

[314159]

What's that stuff about it being nonsensical for the NCR to establish a democracy from the get go? People had lived democratically for a few centuries. It makes sense that those ideals would've survived and everyone didn't just want to rule the world like some nihilistic twat.

Because democracy has failed as a system, like it is now?

Guys, I'n not playing New Vegas now, cause I'm waiting for the big patch. So I don't know yet about Nevadian democracy. But there were slaves in Greek democratic city states and in Roman Republic. It would've made much more sense if NCR followed Ancient Greek/Roman rather than Modern American model of democracy. Ilots and all that. But the game's made by Americans, and we shouldn't expect too much from them. But still...

 

[Haba]

It would make sense if the residents of FO universe were largely uneducated brutes, yet for some odd reason everyone knows how to read and write and is well versed on things that haven't existed in their society for hundreds of years...

 

[peanuts]

i'd rather him work on aod, but i guess he doesn't care about it enough

 

[Der Judenjäger]

Shady Sands was populated by the survivors of Vault 15. It makes sense for the former vault dwellers to cling to the American model of democracy after leaving their vault, since they were raised in that fashion and it's the only system they've had the experience with. So, a democratic NCR makes sense from that perspective.

When the rest are concerned, other, more primitive types of society would be a logical fit.

 

[314159]

Shady Sands was populated by the survivors of Vault 15. It makes sense for the former vault dwellers to cling to the American model of democracy after leaving their vault, since they were raised in that fashion and it's the only system they've had the experience with. So, a democratic NCR makes sense from that perspective.

That wouldn't make economic sense due to the lack of industrialized agriculture/manufacturing.

Also, a Vault society must've been communist (in the economic sense of the word)

 

[Imbecile]

i'd rather him work on aod, but i guess he doesn't care about it enough

Its all research

 

[Vault Dweller]

Shady Sands was populated by the survivors of Vault 15. It makes sense for the former vault dwellers to cling to the American model of democracy after leaving their vault, since they were raised in that fashion and it's the only system they've had the experience with. So, a democratic NCR makes sense from that perspective.

First, democracy is about elected officials. If I recall correctly, the vaults' overseers weren't elected but instead appointed by Vault-Tec, often being given special instuctions, which made them the supreme rulers, not accountable to people.

Second, Aradesh founded Shady Sands and ruled it until Tandi took over. This family was in charge for 100 years. This is NOT a democracy, but as Caesar says, a hereditary dictatorship. The notion that Tandi, even at the tender age of 100, was so amazingly awesome and lovable that people kept reelecting her is laughable.

People are ungrateful and have very short memories:

"Although Churchill's role in the Second World War had generated much support for him amongst the British population, he was defeated in the 1945 election. Many reasons for this have been given, key among them being that a desire for post-war reform was widespread amongst the population and that the man who had led Britain in war was not seen as the man to lead the nation in peace." Etc.

In other words, there are no reasons for Shady Sands/NCR suddenly embrace democracy, especially after 100 years of grows and prosperity under dictators. Why would they want to fix what wasn't broken?

What's that stuff about it being nonsensical for the NCR to establish a democracy from the get go? People had lived democratically for a few centuries. It makes sense that those ideals would've survived and everyone didn't just want to rule the world like some nihilistic twat.

The idea wasn't new. It's been around since the BC days, but it took 2 thousand years to implement it. Why? Because it's not the idea that's important but the pre-requisites, which wouldn't exist in a post-apocalyptic world.

i'd rather him work on aod, but i guess he doesn't care about it enough

Because I took a break to play a game and wrote a review (while I'm at work)? I also watch movies and read books. Le horror.

 

[peanuts]

Shady Sands was populated by the survivors of Vault 15. It makes sense for the former vault dwellers to cling to the American model of democracy after leaving their vault, since they were raised in that fashion and it's the only system they've had the experience with. So, a democratic NCR makes sense from that perspective.

First, democracy is about elected officials. If I recall correctly, the vaults' overseers weren't elected but instead appointed by Vault-Tec, often being given special instuctions, which made them the supreme rulers, not accountable to people.

Second, Aradesh founded Shady Sands and ruled it until Tandi took over. This family was in charge for 100 years. This is NOT a democracy, but as Caesar says, a hereditary dictatorship. The notion that Tandi, even at the tender age of 100, was so amazingly awesome and lovable that people kept reelecting her is laughable.

People are ungrateful and have very short memories:

"Although Churchill's role in the Second World War had generated much support for him amongst the British population, he was defeated in the 1945 election. Many reasons for this have been given, key among them being that a desire for post-war reform was widespread amongst the population and that the man who had led Britain in war was not seen as the man to lead the nation in peace." Etc.

In other words, there are no reasons for Shady Sands/NCR suddenly embrace democracy, especially after 100 years of grows and prosperity under dictators. Why would they want to fix what wasn't broken?

What's that stuff about it being nonsensical for the NCR to establish a democracy from the get go? People had lived democratically for a few centuries. It makes sense that those ideals would've survived and everyone didn't just want to rule the world like some nihilistic twat.

The idea wasn't new. It's been around since the BC days, but it took 2 thousand years to implement it. Why? Because it's not the idea that's important but the pre-requisites, which wouldn't exist in a post-apocalyptic world.

i'd rather him work on aod, but i guess he doesn't care about it enough

Because I took a break to play a game and wrote a review (while I'm at work)? I also watch movies and read books. Le horror.

bitch get crackin!

 

[Redeye]

... there are no reasons for Shady Sands/NCR suddenly embrace democracy, especially after 100 years of grows and prosperity under dictators. Why would they want to fix what wasn't broken?

People are ungrateful and have very short memories

 

[Vault Dweller]

Doesn't work like that. Under dictatorships people have no power, so their short memories and ungratefulness don't mean much. They are only a factor when they are given the power to make decisions.

Shifts to democracy don't happen without reasons. For example, the England's Petition of Right was forced because the king crossed the line (lost the war with Spain, needed more money, decided to squeeze every penny from his subjects (taxes and forced loans), dissolved the parliament, imprisoned people who refused to pay, including the nobles, etc) and the country was heading for a civil war.

I'm unaware that the NCR went through anything similar that would give people a reason to demand more power.

 

[DefJam101]

Shady Sands was populated by the survivors of Vault 15. It makes sense for the former vault dwellers to cling to the American model of democracy after leaving their vault, since they were raised in that fashion and it's the only system they've had the experience with. So, a democratic NCR makes sense from that perspective.

First, democracy is about elected officials.

o_O

Oh yeah representative democracy

 

[peanuts]

Doesn't work like that. Under dictatorships people have no power, so their short memories and ungratefulness don't mean much. They are only a factor when they are given the power to make decisions.

Shifts to democracy don't happen without reasons. For example, the England's Petition of Right was forced because the king crossed the line (lost the war with Spain, needed more money, decided to squeeze every penny from his subjects (taxes and forced loans), dissolved the parliament, imprisoned people who refused to pay, including the nobles, etc) and the country was heading for a civil war.

I'm unaware that the NCR went through anything similar that would give people a reason to demand more power.

Bitch you're not working yet?

 

[Radisshu]

Pre-christian Scandinavia had a pretty interesting system where Kings were elected, and were essentially dictators until they fucked up too many times, after which they got dethroned (although it didn't work that well, there were tons of conflicts with small bands supporting different kings).

 

[genci88]

Story-wise, is it OK to play New Vegas without playing Fallout 3? I've already played Fallout 1 and 2, but decided to skip 3.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

decided to skip 3.

So did New Vegas. You're safe.