Moral choices done right in Fable 2?

[Grandpa Gamer]

Haven't been all that interested in Fable 2 until now, but this piece from Edge makes it sound very interesting:

http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/ins ... page=0%2C0

...now being good isn’t about wanting to be good and clicking the right option: it’s about self-sacrifice. “Now it’s hard,” says Carter. “So, you’re good. What if that stops you doing this? Still good? What if we take this, and this, and this from you? Still good?”

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[Raapys]

So instead of being rewarded for being good, you'll be punished? I like it.

 

[RK47]

Come on, there was one example they gave where you are supposed to save a pretty girl from being scarred for life by sacrificing your own face. Then Pete mentioned the scar is so great, it may cause your wife and children to scream in terror when you reach home for dinner.

Whatever happened to the third option? Is this all gonna be Good gets the short end of the stick while the Bad keeps getting more cash than he knows what to do with it? "Oh I know I'll buy 999 Red Potions to save the World from the Evil Dragon!"

 

[uhjghvt]

every molyneaux game since dungeon keeper has been shit don't get your hopes up

 

[Data4]

I think what they're trying to avoid is a "Good = Correct" trend in the game, which is probably why they say 95% of players completed Fable as good guys. I actually blame games that either never gave evil choices or never did them in a way that provided a satisfying gaming experience, Fable included. We've become conditioned to believe that going the evil route in a game will somehow shorten it or limit possibilities to the point of removing any enjoyment. It's nice to see they're not only taking their lumps, but contributing their fair share of lumps upon themselves.

 

[kris]

Unlike rpgcodex the regular gamer usually chooses to play good. Even in the asshole filled MMORPG world. Tradition in RPG games have always been playing the good guys, having a evil path is just something new.

It begs the question, what people dreams about destroying the world?

 

[JarlFrank]

It begs the question, what people dreams about destroying the world?

But many people dream about conquering the world.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

If they want proper self-sacrifice, the Good way to finish the game must involve a "are you a bad enough dude to hit your own dick with a hammer?" scenario.

 

[Xi]

Hopefully the entire game has this approach because doing "good" is often the most punishable way one can live their life. It's the whole nice people finish last scenario, or in this case good people.

You save the poor people from the attacking mob, but the poor people have no way to reward you. On the other side of this, you help the attacking mob and reap the benefit of the plunders of their current and past deeds.

It seems like one path is Do what you want, while the other path is follow a moral compass regardless of outcome. Maybe they will finally accomplish something worth talking about, but somehow I'm willing to bet it will be a very shallow implementation.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Indeed. You're absolutely right Xi. I'd like to see that more in RPGs. Especially in one with a powerful PC who could do much more for himself. A story where the Good path would explore the same elements that Superman fundamentally does.

 

[Quigs]

Or a world that doesn't appreciate good, which happens much more frequently.

I think several quests where the good path is a much bigger pain in the ass would be nice, maybe balanced out later by some folks silently noticing your good deeds, and helping out later, like a guard opening a door for you, or a noble gifting you some artifact, etc.

I dunno.

 

[racofer]

It begs the question, what people dreams about destroying the world?

But many people dream about conquering the world.

I dream about purging humanity from the world.

 

[SuicideBunny]

moral choices done right cannot be reduced to a simple "good=sacrifice" formula, and the fact that these can makes them look like just an unexplored side of the overused "evil=demanding more money" coin.

 

[RK47]

If they want proper self-sacrifice, the Good way to finish the game must involve a "are you a bad enough dude to hit your own dick with a hammer?" scenario.

They did that in the previous game. But in a much more stupid manner, whereas the BIG BAD GUY is beaten, there is no longer a need to claim more power but the power is there for you to claim anyway but there will be no more plot advancement, you either want the sword to whack people dead in one hit or no. The cost? Are you a bad enough dude to gut your sister for a sword?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

If they want proper self-sacrifice, the Good way to finish the game must involve a "are you a bad enough dude to hit your own dick with a hammer?" scenario.

They did that in the previous game. But in a much more stupid manner, whereas the BIG BAD GUY is beaten, there is no longer a need to claim more power but the power is there for you to claim anyway but there will be no more plot advancement, you either want the sword to whack people dead in one hit or no. The cost? Are you a bad enough dude to gut your sister for a sword?

I thought of a reverse scenario. The GOOD way would have you gut your sister and you wouldn't get the sword.