Game News Total War: Attila Red Horse trailer + New Civil War mechanics

[Whisky]

Tags: Creative Assembly; Sega; Total War; Total War: Attila



A new trailer for Total War: Attila has been released. Aside from the trailer, there has been talk of a revamped Civil War system where rebellious commanders can convince your loyal generals to defect. In return, you can implement the Roman military policy of Decimation, where you kill 1/10 men in an army to ensure order and loyalty.

 

[Spectacle]

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VIKINGS!!!!!
(Ahistorical as fuck, but it's a Total War game so it's a lost cause in that regard anyway, and Vikings are awesome in any game)

 

[Forest Dweller]

How will they add a meaningful cost to the decimation action?

I don't see how losing 10 percent of an army is a meaningful penalty. Ever since CA added the auto reinforcing system casualties are not that serious a problem. Losing half your army isn't a serious problem because you will be full strength in a few turns. Equally causing massive casualties to an enemy force isn't as meaningful because even if you kill 5k out of an enemy army's 10k, they will get 2-4k more troops after just one turn making those casualties you caused them mostly pointless(only destroying units or armies completely matters for that).

It was better when an reinforcing took up a recruitment slot(whether through retraining or merging units and sending newly trained reinforcements) and you had to have them in cities(or at least friendly territory). I understand their desire to get rid of some micromanagement, but the system they implemented just makes attrition largely a non issue since you will mostly recover in a turn or two, and even battles where you take massive losses only take 2-4 turns to recover from. I believe part of it was the choice to only have armies exist under generals so you can no longer send small independent stacks of reinforcements to replace losses.

In the old system losing a lot of men in a battle(even if you won) had consequences. Now those consequences are greatly reduced.

An analogous dread/chivalry system from Medieval would do the trick, with decimation leading to a severe increase in dread or whatever it's equivalent would be.

 

[Norfleet]

I don't see how losing 10 percent of an army is a meaningful penalty. Ever since CA added the auto reinforcing system casualties are not that serious a problem.

I think that's sort of the point. Decimation was always a means of making an object lesson WITHOUT destroying the fighting strength of a unit. That's sort of what it's for.

 

[oscar]

Auto reinforcement isn't terrible of itself but it should definitely cost money.

 

[Shannow]

Auto reinforcement isn't terrible of itself but it should definitely cost money.

Yeah. I love the mechanic itself, but I hate the way they implement it.
Stuff like this should affect it:
Player province? Yes/No
Ally province? Yes/No
Food shortage? Yes/No
Army moving that turn? Yes/No
Inside a town? Yes/No
Quality of buildings in the province owned by player/allies
Army traditions
General traits
Recent wins/losses
Season
Quality of units
Setting fast/slow reinforcement has influence on income, like in CK2

All of that should affect reinforcement. And it should go from ~30% of max unit health per turn on average under optimal conditions to -10% per turn under worst conditions.

IMO

 

[lurker3000]

Holy shit they are still making DLC for R2:TW:FuckYou?

 

[Shannow]

"A lot"? Like 3-5 points?
And it ends up being much too fast in most cases. (When I last played it went from ~20% to 60%. Don't know where you got your numbers from.)
Bad implementation of (in theory) good mechanic is bad implementation. No mater how well intentioned the devs might have been.

 

[34scell]

In Rome 1 you could fully replenish multiple units in a single city in one turn. You just had to keep them in rotation.

 

[34scell]

I think your recalling how it works in Medival 2. Rome 1 recruitment is one unit per turn (with some units taking longer), but retraining costs 0 turns, so in one turn you can replenish half a stack in one city. And they retain their experience bonus.