Snake oil salesman - Albanian Edition. Beautiful.
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rpgcodex > I have come to realize this place is filled with degenerates anyway. Not one, but multiple mentally ill people just allowed to run free without oversight.
CyberWhale
FreeKaner
The Balkan mentality you describe reminds me of a lot of middle-tier Ottoman bureaucrat mentality honestly. Impossible to guess which way the influence went. Probably the Greeks and Italians set the stage for it.
CyberWhale
Goddamn Mediterranean scum and their decadent culture corrupting simple but honest Balkan folk.
Üstad
yes! blame greeks
CyberWhale
Romans are to blame for this; for they send as guardians of their flocks, not dogs or shepherds, but wolves. Even turned Bato against Bato, goddamn Romanoids and their devious ways.
Humbaba
Greeks ARE Romans
Delterius
nepotism as a form of government is a medieval italian innovation. it was meant to replace assassination, which was the roman form of succession.
Üstad
>Greeks ARE Romans
nope
nope
Humbaba
Which also was the Ottoman form of succession but then again the Ottomans were also Romans. Westoids will deny this
Üstad
Rums are not greeks, Greeks base their identity on imagined Hellenic LARPing. Only coastal colonies were Greek. Rums were mixture of small numbers of Greeks and Byzantified native Anatolians, Caucasians and stuff.
FreeKaner
Rums saw themselves as Romans. It was only the elite Phanariot families of Constantinople that imagined themselves as Hellenes. Which was partially coping as it reimagined their relation with both Byzantine and Ottoman systems.
CyberWhale
I like the peasant Etrusco-Sabine humor - LARPing as Trojans after conquering Greeks, renaming the Judea to Palæstina and forcing the monoautists to worship statues of naked Pagan gods. Based AF.
FreeKaner
They in 19th century reconstructed their identity as Hellenes rather than Rums because the upper class Greek elites were motivated by and supported by the Western Philhellenes and had the Phanariotes as their main anchor to modern Greek identity.
Üstad
> Rums saw themselves as Romans.
Correct. In fact I think I recall a historical event during Renaissance era, a commoner in island of Crete was referring Venetians Hellenes. When Venetians said you guys are the Hellenes he referred himself as Rum.
Correct. In fact I think I recall a historical event during Renaissance era, a commoner in island of Crete was referring Venetians Hellenes. When Venetians said you guys are the Hellenes he referred himself as Rum.
FreeKaner
All Ottoman nationalities (and Western Europe too) created their identity by using Ottomans as the contrast and counter-part to it. Which is why all Balkan states have some battle (usually defensive siege) they lionize and sanctify.
Humbaba
Not like there's anything else to build an identity around 
FreeKaner
This includes modern Turkish state.
Üstad
To a great degree yes it does.
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