Wizardry Thoughts about Wizardry 8

[Zboj Lamignat]

Party creation has actually one crucial flaw that's also present in many other games. When I start playing this game, I have no idea what's going to be in it.

Also, another thread showing that majority of the codex doesn't like crpgs.

 

[LeStryfe79]

I wouldn't know. I never made a party. I told my brother to use that party after reading the instruction manual and it turned out to be his favorite game. Like I said before, I tried to solo that shit with a ninja and ended up an alcoholic.

 

[Invictus]

While I consider Wiz 7 to be a better game in almost everything, most of Wiz 8 quirks seem charming in comparison and the party system is still the best evah...with the narrator style voiceset beign the best ina series of great design ideas which were never implemente again. that is why I fell in love so hard with Grimoire; thay style of no handholding, learn as you go, RPG is all but extint nowadays
Oh and hold on the gadgeteer, later on they becomme quite awesome

 

[jcd]

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[Zboj Lamignat]

There are no useless skills or classes in Wiz8. And skills rise through use anyway.

 

[DraQ]

click move, watch enemies move and punch you in the face, then you get to move losing attacks gradually as you move further. then enemies get to move and punch you again, then it's your turn again. I guess you don't lose a whole turn at first, if you take just a few steps.

Let me explain because you obviously don't get it:

1. You give any orders you want to, click move, then "end turn" going into execution phase.
2. In the execution phase the party waits for its slowest members so all the NPCs with higher initiative than your slowest members act in order of descending initiative (usually punching you in the face) before you get to do anything.
   
3. Then you start moving but as you move NPCs with lower initiative than your slowest party member get to interrupt you and perform actions of their own.
4. After you finish your move the party members that can still perform ordered actions in the time you left over do so.

 

[Doctor Sbaitso]

Phase based combat

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Can I finish this game using a six-fighters party?

You will rage hard when mind-raping enemies start to appear.

 

[DraQ]

Party creation has actually one crucial flaw that's also present in many other games. When I start playing this game, I have no idea what's going to be in it.

Also, another thread showing that majority of the codex doesn't like crpgs.

You didn't understand. For example, playing Deus Ex for the first time, you might be tempted to pick swimming because it looks useful and you don't know how many maps have areas where you could swim. A skill dedicated to it suggests there might be a lot. Then you find out it's useless.

This is not the case because Wizardry 8 party building is almost infinitely malleable and most of necessary info is in the manual or tooltips.
Probably the only thing that isn't mentioned is how different magic realms change in usefulness as the game progresses (most of late game enemies shrug off fire magic), but that's mostly bad design.

 

[jcd]

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[Perkel]

I take longer than that to create a custom party. Did you get off the beach?

beach and then dungeon then some sort of kind of city with enemies that destroyed me like nothing. Don't remember much.
Still game is on my to do list.

I need to first finish Dead State then i will think about it.

 

[DraQ]

I do understand, that's still two turns lost

You don't.

Can I finish this game using a six-fighters party?

You will rage hard when mind-raping enemies start to appear.

• 6 lizardman fighters
• a wild psionic appears!
• spend time watching you fighters clobber each other over the head whittling down massive HPs
• ...
• 

 

[I_am_Ian]

As long as one of your fighters has a decent artifact skill you can use scrolls that protect against magic. Also there are enough accessories with magic resistance you will be able to survive these encounters.

The greatest thing about this game is that there is a workaround for every obstacle.

 

[Zetor]

Samurai, Valkyrie, Ranger, Monk, Gadgeteer, Bard.

Just sayin'

my current party:

Myles & Vi
Fighter - extremely useful, hits for up to 35dmg at a time, lots of hp and a great tank
Rogue - skilled lockpicker, very fast, frequently hits two time in a round, can operate a bow, highest body count so far
Samurai - also very fast, frequently gets multiple attacks, knows basic offensive spells so isn't useless in ranged combat
Priest - heals and buffs everyone, kinda ok
Psionic - fragile but devastating with high dmg spells like ego whip, psionic flames or mind stab, useful debuffs like insanity, sleep, or terror
Gadgeteer - most useless so far, does only mediocre damage with his omnigun, not sure if I should get rid of it and give him something else?

Gadgeteer is probably the most powerful endgame character... but yeah, early on he kinda sucks. Before lvel 10-ish, I mostly use gadgeteers as lockpickers and "controllers/debuffers" (using the gadgets that cast horror, paralyze, noxious fumes) and only use the omnigun to fire rocks at weak enemies to improve modern weapon / ranged combat skills. By late-midgame you'll get gadgets that do massive area damage and/or instantly kill enemy groups, and at level 14+ the omnigun will become one of the most powerful weapons in the game. In fact, I think a gadgeteer can make better use of high-end arrows/bolts than a ranger...

 

[Zombra]

mos of the items just hover in the air around the characters I suppose ("party inventory" that nobody's really carrying)

Party inventory carry weight is shared amongst all characters based on their capacity. Pick up the 250 pound Giant Silver Nugget and you will see everyone's encumbrance skyrocket. The game just doesn't force you to juggle shit and micromanage who's carrying the vendor trash, because it doesn't matter. The system is a huge leap forward.

Gadgeteer - most useless so far, does only mediocre damage with his omnigun, not sure if I should get rid of it and give him something else?

Zetor already covered it, but Gadgeteers are bros that start weak and grow up to be kings. Look up the gadgets and make them when you find the parts. Once you have the Regenerating Stone, you won't know how you lived without it. And yeah, the Omnigun is crap at first, but stick with it to build up that skill so you can get tons of instant kills and status shots later.

 

[King Crispy]

Wizardry 8 is a wonderful game that serves as a milestone marker between the old world of RPG's and the new. It's one that will test every fiber of your patience, it's one that takes steadfast dedication to finish, and one that will break the lesser roleplaying game gamer's will. Yet it is by far one of the most satisfying and memorable games I've ever played, and one of the truly elite few that I've ever actually replayed.

An epic journey, a rite of passage, a coming of age in any player's repertoire. All these things apply and more, and sometimes it's hard to believe this work of art was done by Cleve's arch nemesis, Brenda Romero.

No wonder he's so obsessed with her.

 

[Doctor Sbaitso]

You even said that with the same panache Cleve used in his pitch.

 

[Luzur]

You even said that with the same panache Cleve used in his pitch.

ARE YOU CURIOUS ABOUT MY SHITTING?

 

[PhantasmaNL]

Threads like these sometimes make me consider starting a new playthrough. But almost immediately i realize it is a bad idea, and visions of the "step, fight for 2 hours, step" syndrome pop up. Maybe if i had unlimited time on this globe plus the patience i had when i was young times 10, and nothing else to do. Someone above mentioned the apparent emptyness of the world, lore wise. Thinking back, i agree, but not only lore wise, on every other aspect too. The world feels strangely empty, dead and disconnected even, certainly when compared with Wiz7.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

If you actually played Wiz7 you definitely wouldn't be hopeless with crpgs enough to make combat encounters last 2 hours m8.

 

[Karwelas]

Do you even ninja faerie?

Spoiler

And by the way, Darq already tell everything.

 

[Cadmus]

I agree with the story being shitty and the main goal being completely out of the way so that most of the time you just run around without any idea of what's required from you. Also for a first time player, the game likes to throw tons of stupid, made-up lingo at you and pretend that you should know what's going on.

 

[jcd]

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[Doctor Sbaitso]

 

[Zombra]

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