The Ultima Series by Spoony

[TheGreatOne]

dude what the fuck, are you 13?

no, I'm almost 16 and my mom says I look really mature for my age

1) we make fun of dead people after theyve been dead long enough except if a) they are literally Hitler b) they killed someone
if no a or b applies, we wait a few years perhaps and then make fun of them. Its social rules, jesus fuck.

Those social rules are irrational

2) Spoony's fanbase is big enough to earn him 4k/month if you check patreon, I wonder how much you make in your job? I sure dont make that much. Im just stating this because you seem to have an idea that he's just some kind of internet nobody but he makes better living than most of us.

You're not exactly defending his case here. If he was a guy with 50 subscribers on youtube, you couldn't expect higher standards from him, but if he makes this thing for a living (and people donate him money and equipment) then you'd think we'd see more regular content that isn't vlogs of him eating chinese food.

Seriously? "Evil marketing made me watch things I didn't want, I have no free will and it's everyone's fault but mine!"

No, I never watched that trash, I'm just stating that its trash. I have a hard time taking a 30+ year old man seriously as a credible critic when he produces shit like that and feels proud enough about the end result to publish it and sell it on DVD. You didn't see Robert Ebert pulling stunts like that.

 

[Cadmus]

dude what the fuck, are you 13?

no, I'm almost 16 and my mom says I look really mature for my age

1) we make fun of dead people after theyve been dead long enough except if a) they are literally Hitler b) they killed someone
if no a or b applies, we wait a few years perhaps and then make fun of them. Its social rules, jesus fuck.

Those social rules are irrational

2) Spoony's fanbase is big enough to earn him 4k/month if you check patreon, I wonder how much you make in your job? I sure dont make that much. Im just stating this because you seem to have an idea that he's just some kind of internet nobody but he makes better living than most of us.

You're not exactly defending his case here. If he was a guy with 50 subscribers on youtube, you couldn't expect higher standards from him, but if he makes this thing for a living (and people donate him money and equipment) then you'd think we'd see more regular content that isn't vlogs of him eating chinese food.

Seriously? "Evil marketing made me watch things I didn't want, I have no free will and it's everyone's fault but mine!"

No, I never watched that trash, I'm just stating that its trash. I have a hard time taking a 30+ year old man seriously as a credible critic when he produces shit like that and feels proud enough about the end result to publish it and sell it on DVD. You didn't see Robert Ebert pulling stunts like that.

But I'm not defending him at all in my 2nd point, on the contrary but I also think his content is of high quality when it comes to the produced videos. As Ive said in this thread, I think his other selfinduldgent shit sucks cock.

Social rules arent to be applied on robots but on society and at this point you must be trolling so go fuck yourself

 

[felipepepe]

No, I never watched that trash, I'm just stating that its trash. I have a hard time taking a 30+ year old man seriously as a credible critic when he produces shit like that and feels proud enough about the end result to publish it and sell it on DVD. You didn't see Robert Ebert pulling stunts like that.

And Nostalgia Critic, the guy that spend most of his screen time screaming and shooting a fake gun, is precisely trying to be Robert Ebert, right?

 

[Cadmus]

No, I never watched that trash, I'm just stating that its trash. I have a hard time taking a 30+ year old man seriously as a credible critic when he produces shit like that and feels proud enough about the end result to publish it and sell it on DVD. You didn't see Robert Ebert pulling stunts like that.

And Nostalgia Critic, the guy that spend most of his screen time screaming and shooting a fake gun, is precisely trying to be Robert Ebert, right?

He's still a retard though Shit, I can't stand him and his shitty hat and shitty tie and fake yelling and stupid sound effects and everything about him and the stupid glasses and beard and voice and face and everything arghhhhhhhhh

 

[Darth Slaughter]

No, I never watched that trash, I'm just stating that its trash. I have a hard time taking a 30+ year old man seriously as a credible critic when he produces shit like that and feels proud enough about the end result to publish it and sell it on DVD. You didn't see Robert Ebert pulling stunts like that.

And Nostalgia Critic, the guy that spend most of his screen time screaming and shooting a fake gun, is precisely trying to be Robert Ebert, right?

He's still a retard though Shit, I can't stand him and his shitty hat and shitty tie and fake yelling and stupid sound effects and everything about him and the stupid glasses and beard and voice and face and everything arghhhhhhhhh

That falsetto voice...

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Those social rules are irrational, following them doesn't make any sense.

Okay, so your aunt is getting buried, 'kay? And your aunt was big fat landwhale with a disgusting manjaw, right? And you made fun of her all the time, being the prick that you are, right?

Do you:

a) Show up at her funeral and behave decently.
b) Show up at her funeral, wearing your fedora, making some comments about her fat ass and her disgusting manjaw, berate everyone who is shocked for their illogical behavior, insult them for being religious nutjobs and hypocrites and then go home, knowing you did the logical thing.

This is a personality test, choose wisely.

But there needs to be some logical consistency. It has nothing to do with grief, it's about the principle. If you believe that dead people should be off limits for making jokes, then you should adhere to that rule and respect it, rather than only following it when ever it's convenient for you. If you blindly follow self imposed restrictions like that for no logical reason, you're irrational. If you only follow them when ever it's convenient for you but don't really respect those boundaries, then you're a hypocrite. Either a religious nutjob or some one who exploits religion.

Again: The guy in questions was a childhood idol of millions who had just died and not a fucking mass murderer whos been dead for decades.

Look, its really not that big of deal and there is no way in hell you can convince anyone that this is a hook big enough to justify your euphoric fedora-wearing ramblings.

Is it really so hard to comprehend that this may have more to do with common decency and social demeanor and less with being an religious nutjob and hypocrite?

 

[Jvegi]

Those social rules are irrational

Autism confirmed.

Spoony doesn't owe anything to anybody, he can do whatever the fuck he wants, especially on his own site, he doesn't have to care about his audiences expectations, and no amount of money he makes is going to change that.

As long as he doesn't advertise his content as something it's not, while taking money for getting access to it, I'm fine with whatever he's doing (that's why it's different with video games). I might stop watching his videos if I no longer like them. Ohmygod.

 

[Xor]

Those social rules are irrational

Autism confirmed..

I was thinking the same thing.

Also, there's a large difference between the man called history's greatest monster and a silly wrestling figure. Grief for the dead doesn't need to apply equally to every person who has died, is dying, or will die. Obviously we tend to care more about the people we know.

But there needs to be some logical consistency. It has nothing to do with grief, it's about the principle. If you believe that dead people should be off limits for making jokes, then you should adhere to that rule and respect it, rather than only following it when ever it's convenient for you. If you blindly follow self imposed restrictions like that for no logical reason, you're irrational. If you only follow them when ever it's convenient for you but don't really respect those boundaries, then you're a hypocrite. Either a religious nutjob or some one who exploits religion.

There's a simple reason you don't make jokes about dead people, and it has nothing to do with the dead people themselves (like most of the rituals that surround death). Grief is a very powerful emotion, and when you remind a person of someone they just lost, you risk bringing those feelings of grief up all over again. If you insult the recently dead to someone who was close to them - say, a family member - that grief will quickly turn to anger and you'll probably end up with a broken nose. The same principal applies to public figures. So if you're grieving for someone, you obviously don't want to hear insults about the person you're grieving for because it's going to piss you off. And if you're not grieving for that same person, you're not going to want to make those jokes unless you want to piss off the person who is grieving. We don't make fun of the dead out of respect for the living. On the other hand if nobody cares about someone when they die, because they were a terrible person and anyone who liked them was also a terrible person, it's OK to say whatever about them because you don't care who gets offended or angry. Also, this ban on trash-talking the dead generally only lasts for a year or two, maybe longer if the person died particularly tragically or was particularly well respected because the grief will be stronger.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

I have no problem with spoony making money off dressing up like UW and making fun of him, his ramblings are great joke fodder. It's hypocrisy that I hate, and the hivemind behavior of extroverts.

Hivemind behaviour is more of a XSXJ thing, not extrovert.

 

[Jasede]

Dunno what you're arguing about, that Runes of Virtue stuff was entertaining as hell to me, and didn't cost me shit.

And yes, Nostalgia Critic is a shit.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Okay, so your aunt is getting buried, 'kay? And your aunt was big fat landwhale with a disgusting manjaw, right? And you made fun of her all the time, being the prick that you are, right?
a) Show up at her funeral and behave decently.
b) Show up at her funeral, wearing your fedora, making some comments about her fat ass and her disgusting manjaw, berate everyone who is shocked for their illogical behavior, insult them for being religious nutjobs and hypocrites and then go home, knowing you did the logical thing.

Don't insult her in the first place so I don't have to feel bad about myself and act like a self righteous prick when she dies. But if I were to insult her, then
C) Don't show up at the funeral since I disliked her

So if you're grieving for someone, you obviously don't want to hear insults about the person you're grieving for because it's going to piss you off. And if you're not grieving for that same person, you're not going to want to make those jokes unless you want to piss off the person who is grieving. We don't make fun of the dead out of respect for the living.

The thing is that grief is a subjective feeling. Some people are sad over Germany's loss at world war 2 and the death of Hitler. What Americans view as a terrorist scum, sand people regard as a hero. Many people want the dictators of North Korea to die but many North Koreans worship them as Gods (because they are brainwashed to do so, but the fact remains that they feel very strongly about their leader). Some people at RPGcodex were happy to find out that the guy who makes Errant Signal has cancer, and developers like people behind Fallout 3 might be revered amongst casuals but despised amongst RPG fans and "hardcore" gamers. Some people might feel completely indifferent towards something that might enrage or deeply sadden others and vice versa.

Also Spoony himself has joked about Owen Heart (and Chris Benoit too if I recall). I admired Chris Benoit and I could laugh at jokes made about him when he died. Or if you want a more neutral example: Eddie Guerrero (or Test, Mike Awesome, Kanyon or any other similar guy who OD'd/killed themselves). I admired his work ethic but I don't think that he should be off limits for making jokes because many other people don't really have any emotional attachment to his persona, positive nor negative. And people seem to forget that many of those people whose memories we suddenly start cherising once they die might've been bad people when they lived. For example Eddie Guerrero OD'd on alcohol, steroids and drugs while driving a sports car on a highway and could've easily killed some one accidentally. Often times when something like that happens, people say things like "You would've deserved to die" "he's a selfish piece of shit that endangers the lives of others", like back when that dude from Jackass died in a car accident, people were happy that such a moron who drinks and drives killed himself.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

This discussion reminds me of Formula 1 pilot Ayrton Senna. His archnemesis, Alain Prost, was at Senna's funeral and helped carry the coffin. And that was the guy that, among other things, hinted that Senna was homosexual, after Piquet released this rumor.

And wrestling is shit...

EDIT: So is Formula 1.

 

[thesoup]

Well I, for one, am glad we have such great individuals as TheGreatOne who see through the social bullshit we are branwashed with. Social decency is nothing but a social construct anyway, you stupid sheeple. When will you wake up? You are literally the same as Nazis.
And on that note, I tip you my fedora.

 

[Falkner]

You know, the Codex sometimes feels like Sigil to me. You can just browse through the forums completely unsuspectingly, turn a corner and enter a portal into a thread where people write walls of text about wrestlers, the irrationality of decency and child porn (just skimmed, not quite sure about the context here).

 

[Luzur]

 

[Azalin]

Damn,I always get an erection when I watch these kind of things

 

[Darth Slaughter]

Damn,I always get an erection when I watch these kind of things

You mean spoony looking at the mirror as the black knight?

 

[TheGreatOne]

Looks like the inevitable TGWTG reinstation is upon us