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The Mysterious Mystery of the Codex Murders

Mr. Pink

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In the event of a mexican standoff where two innocents and a killer are left alive, players may only vote once, and in secret (via PM). If everyone votes for everyone else, everyone dies.
How is this a standoff? Why can't two innocents hang the killer? :?

If it's 1 killer and 1 innocent, the killer should win. If there are 2 innocents and 1 killer, the innocents should win if they pinpoint the culprit. That's how it is supposed to work, I think.

if people are allowed more than one vote, it would lead to a stalemate. if we go by order of accusation, it leads to a quickdraw.

A accuses B and C

B accuses A and C

C accuses A and B

the game wouldn't end.
 

Grimgravy

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Well that was interesting. A bit surprised Taxalot was killed. Not surprised I was targeted (particularly gruesome by the way. Props to my would be killer), but surprised I was saved...until Nevill was outed. Kind of glad you were too. I really didn't want you Kaiser Sozeing us. And that definitely would have affected my reasoning.

I ACCUSE a bear named spigot
 
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well, last night (and this morning) got a bit messy hey
Also, let's see who is not voting a bear named spigot and does not explain why. :M

don't think you're going to get any clues from this, unfortunately, as it looks like everyone is dogpiling in

since he's the only other person with a vote so far and the closest thing I have to a chance at saving myself it seems, I ACCUSE CORPORATE JEW MASTER
 

Nevill

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Mr. Pink, are criminals allowed to communicate between themselves, or are they making all of their moves in public like the rest of us?

Looks like they are coordinating their night strikes at least.
 

Nevill

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Also, Viata, Duraframe300, why are you suspecting a bear named spigot? I'd like to compare our arguments to avoid a mistake.
 
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Mr. Pink

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Mr. Pink, are criminals allowed to communicate between themselves, or are they making all of their moves in public like the rest of us?

Looks like they are coordinating their night strikes at least.

killers are aware of who the other killers are. it's ok for them to communicate privately.
 

Viata

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Also, Viata, Duraframe300, why are you suspoecting a bear named spigot? I'd like to compare our arguments to avoid a mistake.

Honestly because I have no idea anymore. And outside of me the only two still to accuse are CJM and Spigot.

(As I really don't think Viata did it)
Same here. And because I know I'm not the killer. That's why I accused Jew and Bigot.
 

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I know I'm not part of the game or anything, but I just dropped by to say that Nevill probably did it.
I know I'm not the killer.
oj-simpson-smiling-murder-trial.jpg
 

Nevill

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Of course I did it. I am an apprentice necromancer, and I need a constant supply of fresh bodies to practice my skills. :M
 

Nevill

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Well, the funny thing is, I don't think a bear named spigot is a criminal. He is just the only good suspect left, and I wanted to see who would jump on a bandwagon now that there are not a lot of bodies to hide behind.

I also wanted to see how the Jew Master would react, but by now it is clear he will continue to lay low without any input.

Duraframe and Viata are very suspicious, and they have been working in tandem before... but I am not sure they are accomplices.

There is a very high probability the Jew is a criminal.

since he's the only other person with a vote so far and the closest thing I have to a chance at saving myself it seems, I ACCUSE CORPORATE JEW MASTER
Nah, the closest thing you can do is to share your observations with us.

It does not look like Viata or Duraframe are working with you, and by now I am almost certain one of them is the killer.
 
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Nevill

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The reason I think why a Jew master did it is that the only thing he posted on the 2nd day was reaffirm my words that he totes didn't do it, and throw a vote for a spigot. Never mind that my arguments for his innocence had a huge loophole - he might have sent orders for Tigranes' death before he went to sleep, just like I did.

I wanted to see if anyone catches up on this, but only he and a bear named spigot took this at face value, which is why they became prime suspects.

However, I now doubt a bear has anything to do with it.

I withhold my vote for a bear named spigot.
 
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So it's 3 votes for Spigot and 3 for Jew Master.

In a case where Spigot is not the Killer, we ends up with Jew Master, Me and Duraframe. I'd like to point out I'm not the killer using the day Jim was hanged, besides the time Duraframe voted for Ex, there's no other time we were together in this. He even included me on his suspect list posting it here(doesn't seem like point your partner as suspect a good thing). If I was the killer I'd know who is my partner, Mr. Pink said so, so I'd clearly know Jim was innocent and would accuse him, which I did not. Why? Because it's better to kill all innocents by every means, be it hanged or not.
Also, I accused Grimgravy, I'd not kill him since I could still keep accusing him being connected with you(which would avoid you to reveal as a priest).
 

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So it's 3 votes for Spigot and 3 for Jew Master.
Of course I urge Grimgravy to reconsider, too. I was not serious accusing a bear named spigot. Don't want to hang him by chance.

I'd like to point out I'm not the killer using the day Jim was hanged,besides the time Duraframe voted for Ex, there's no other time we were together in this.
Plenty of times. You both accused me when the night results went up. Not to say that you are both active at around the same time, both have posts at the time when the murders were committed, and there are a few more considerations.

But yes, I do not think you are both murderers. I think one is just a clueless innocent, and another is using him as a shield, behaving in a similar manner.

That does not mean you are not the killer, it only means you two are not on the same team.

If I was the killer I'd know who is my partner, Mr. Pink said so
Yes, you would know. I see nothing that would suggest that you do not know.

In fact, I so often see fallacies in your reasoning, that you are going to the top of the suspect list again after being dismissed as a very noticeable target. Would be a job well done if true.

Why would you vote for Jim when he had the votes without you? Why add yourself to that list willingly?

Corporate Jew Master is at the top suspect spot, with 3 votes to hang him already, and he never voted for anyone we hanged!

Also, I accused Grimgravy
That counts for little, because it happened after he accused you. Why accuse him in being my accomplice (which is not something that people bought - sorry, bro, you do not make very convincing arguments) when you can get rid of both, one during the night, and one during the day (you immediately piled on me right after Grimgravy's death).
 
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Viata

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that you are going to the top of the suspect list again
Sure, let me make it easy for you. I remove my votes for Jew and Spigot, and accuse myself. There's nothing saying I can't do this.
Now, with 2 more votes, you can wake up with only you and two killers alive the next day, Nevill. :kingcomrade:
 

Nevill

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More irrationality. :M

It is getting a bit hot for killers now that the chances of hanging one are about even. :roll:
 
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since he's the only other person with a vote so far and the closest thing I have to a chance at saving myself it seems, I ACCUSE CORPORATE JEW MASTER
Nah, the closest thing you can do is to share your observations with us.

well I basically thought I was done for regardless, there. I got labelled shady early on and I think I've been p lucky to even make it this far, so I wasn't going to be too upset.

and I don't have too much to say about anyone else at this point because if last night had gone down properly (tax dead, grim saved, priest unknown) I would have accused you and pushed for your lynching, as I felt pretty strongly you were a killer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

viata is doing a pretty good job of being all over the place, dunno if he's a criminal mastermind or raving lunatic. cjm continues to lay super low. duraframe has only posted a few times and is playing (or is) clueless. I find it hard to separate them at this point as far as saying one (or two) is/are more suspicious than the other(s).
 

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Who do you propose in place of Spigot? We need to get a killer this time or we're in trouble.
 

Nevill

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Well, I think CJM is a good candidate.

I find it unlikely that Viata is teamed with Duraframe. It is possible, but it does not fit, IMO. I don't think either of them are teamed with spigot.

That makes CJM the only possible pairing for either of them.

I will vote Corporate_Jew_Master. That's my serious and final vote. If I miss - well, good job on the killers' part, they duped me.
 
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Nevill

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I would have accused you and pushed for your lynching, as I felt pretty strongly you were a killer.
I knew that, that's why I wanted to declare myself a priest publicly anyway. There would be no hard proof of my words, but another 'priest' would have to step up to cast doubt on me then. Then we would either know one of the killers and it would be between him and me to convince people, or I would be the only one claiming the mantle.

I mean, if a guy says they are a priest and no real priest announce themselves at a critical juncture, it would have to be true. There is no point in staying incognito when you are about to lose.

I was kind of counting on it, even though it would make me dead the very next night.
 

Nevill

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It would be stupid for innocents to play games like this at this point.

See, if the guy claims he is a priest while the real priest is accused and hanged, what is he going to achieve? He obviously lied and if he is not killed at night, he'll be hanged by the rest of the innocents the next day.

This is different from accidentally hanging a detective because he was asleep - this is a conscious sabotage and deliberately trying to kill the priest, casting doubt on him with false claims. This is a behavior that is typical for a killer, who would profit off a dead priest as there would be no one to hinder them.

I suppose, a retarded innocent could do that and undermine their own team, but either way they are not going to accomplish their goal - to live. I don't know about you, but I'd sack such a teammate in a heartbeat.
 

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