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The Death of Immersive Sims?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Infinitron, May 19, 2017.

  1. something that sounds manlygender: ⚧ Savant

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    My friends tell me it's good and I have to keep an open mind
     
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  2. Dev_Anjgender: ⚧ Learned

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    If video games were to be defined by what you do most of the time, most of them would be "movement sims".

    See what I did thar?

    Just because you do something a lot doesn't mean that was the focus of the game. Deus Ex has you talking a lot, yet none calls it a "conversation sim". On System Shock 2's highest difficulty you end up fighting most enemies with a wrench, yet it is only called a "wrenching sim" in jest. Of course Tomb Raider would have "platforming" the same way most computer games have walking, running, and jumping; merely as a rote means of traversal, not because they wanted the player to make some tense/amazing jumps between landforms.
     
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    Doing a lot of immersing lately I see.
     
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    From what I've heard about Witcher 1 it could be called a "wenching sim".
     
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    Hunting simulators?

    Cabel's comes to mind but they're all shit casual games. What games do you play.
     
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    I'm as skeptical as anyone about modern-day gaming and I agree with the general sentiment that all kinds of games are being incredibly dumbed down as a result of a broadening audience and thinning of the creative base (i.e. most people that used to make cool games all those years ago were engineers, now it's talentless cucks with 'game design' degrees).

    However, it's important to make certain distinctions.

    I'd compare Cuck Raider to Gears of War before coming anywhere close to describing it as a platformer, even though a jump button technically exists.

    There are modern-day platformers, and some of them are really, really good - Donkey Kong Country Returns for the Wii and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze for the Wii U are honestly some of the best platformers ever made, and they came out fairly recently. As has been said in this thread, Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends are also great (probably the last platformers to be released by a big Ubishit-scale company on PC), some indie stuff is cool like Shovel Knight (which is more the exception than the rule, most indie platformers are ass), Giana Sisters, etc.
     
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    Yeah, you went Full Retard.
     
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    What would you describe the original Tomb Raider as, and what do you think is the current successor to the old Tomb Raider gameplay?
     
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    There is also a new standalone game, but I dont like it much.
     
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    There's no such thing. [​IMG]

    That was remade? [​IMG]
     
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    Yes and it was pretty decent, had an interesting mechanic of swapping between two worlds in realtime. The character animations are shit though.
     
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    At first I was dismissive but for a shovelware kickstarter Unity remake, that looks quite acceptable.
    And they brought Chris Huelsbeck, risen from the grave.

    AND they somehow were able to use the popular Machinae Supremacy remix - that is faithful and impressive, I have to hand it to them. Shame I don't dig platformers. Still, impressed.
     
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    The game is decent but gets old pretty fast. It doesn't hold a candle to Shovel Knight.
     
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    This may sound silly but during Amiga and C64 times, sometimes we bought games not for whether it was any good, but for the awesome composers and graphics at the time, shallow as that might sound. Like, Turrican 2 suffers from that strange collision system, but it and many other games of the time (Shadow of the Beast!) are a good example how, at least sometimes, excellent art and sound can absolutely elevate an otherwise bad or mediocre game into something very special and well-remembered.

    I found Shovel Knight too easy to take seriously as a platformer, considering all the advances platformers have had in recent years. Compare it to Rayman: Legends to see what I mean, or even Donkey Kong Returns.
     
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  15. Great Deceivergender: ⚧ Arcane

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    It also came out 4 years before Shovel Knight at a time when platformers on PC were still very much a novelty. I liked it quite a bit.
     
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    Donkey Kong Country Returns has some fiendishly hard levels (namely the optional x-K levels, 1-k in particular took me close to 20 tries to clear). I also thought Shovel Knight was too easy, but I had a blast playing it because it was really well put together.
     
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  17. Make America Great Again Archibaldgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    There is badly defined genre called "action adventure" where games like Tomb Raider were usually placed. Basically you run around, shoot some people, make some jumps, solve some puzzles and do some other random crap. I haven't played newer Tomb Raiders, but from what I have seen/read it looks like it is in the same genre, just that they decided to focus more on certain elements and left others underdeveloped. Either way, I don't remember Tomb Raider ever being considered as real platformer by people who played platformers, sure it had more focus on it, but it never really was about platforming like, for example, Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze was.
     
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    Interesting take on soulslike genre and immersive sims.

     
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    The devs also made a 2d version of Giana Sisters (ironically?). I liked the game though, for what it was.
     
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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
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    Late to thread. Best thing was definetly following Roguey link to find this:


    Also:
    fungus?
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    Not joking
     
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    Wait, the Giana Sisters are kids now? I thought they were supposed to be adults?[​IMG]
     
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    Rule of modern side-scrolling platformers these days: has to have a cutesy art style.
     
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