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Preview RPG Codex Preview: No Truce With The Furies

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Infinitron, Mar 3, 2017.

  1. Sadujgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    My thought cabinet after reading the preview: :bounce:
     
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    I think that this is the most positive thing I've read on the Codex, outside of the nostalgia-tinted cocaine of 90's retrospectives.
     
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  3. Kalariongender: ⚧ Learned Patron

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    I generally agree with Darth Roxor on this one... Prime Junta 's writing was filled with way too much superfluous shit that added nothing worthwhile to the preview. But it also had some really good and interesting information, and I enjoyed reading it for the most part.

    PJ you need to remember that the problem with pretentious writing is not that it is flowery or overly verbose. It's that the writing is flowery, overly verbose, and adds nothing worthwhile to the narrative. There's a reason the foundation for all good writing is internalizing the phrase "brevity is the soul of wit". It takes rare genius to make essays with adjective-filled prose be worth reading and appreciated, and you don't have it.

    I am cautiously hopeful that this will be the first game with overtly political messages that I will thoroughly enjoy playing and exploring. The sense I get from reading this preview is that Marat Sar has an understanding and empathy (not necessarily sympathy) for many different philosophies of political thought and what makes them tick, something sorely lacking in games today.
     
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  4. Fenixgender: ⚧ Arbiter

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    I think that their art - not sure what it is? expressionism, at least used for skills - can't be honestly called like that according to the standards of world art, but if we take only game industry - difference is like between painting of Medieval Period and Renaissance.

    I think he just tried to translate spirit of a game, its atmosphere, that's all.
     
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  5. HoboForEternitygender: ⚧ Magister

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    beautiful. just beautiful.

    i wanna cry.

    this kind of daringness, crazyness, originality i haven't seen in years inside the videogame industry.

    the last time i see this kind of freshness was probably Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective
     
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  6. Prime Juntagender: ⚧ Arcane

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    That, and also something of what it was like to talk with Robert. I won't call it an interview because in an interview there's usually the interviewer who asks questions and the interviewee who answers them. In this case, he just talked, free-associating all over the map, and all I did was make occasional interjections if there was something in particular I wanted to know. That bit about buying the Star Wars and Planet of the Apes franchises? All him, when I asked how well he expects this to sell, or something along those lines. Then he went off on a tangent regarding both of those franchises, from that to Mass Effect, from that to BioWare stuff in general, past, present, and future ("Andromeda's going to be shit of course"), from that to D&D, from that to a long digression around the campaign No Truce is based on, from that to the novel he wrote, from that to raging that there are only a million Estonians so writing in Estonian is a waste of time even though he really loves the language, from that to laughing at Finnish and the Finns in general, and so on and so forth.

    It was pretty intense.

    How well I succeeded is another matter, but I am fairly confident that terse and dry wouldn't have turned out any better. I am excited as fuck about this game; there really hasn't been anything like this since... like, forever. It's been either carefully market-calibrated AAA things, or equally-carefully-calibrated nostalgia-niche-things, or little indie projects with sometimes-good ideas but limited resources both in terms of money and talent. This is crazy ambitious, it has the talent, and it's at the same time innovating and going back to the roots of the genre. On the one hand: mental loot, chatty skills, dialogue combat, police procedural RPG, overtly political themes that aren't your usual everybody's awesome liberal mush. On the other, top-down isometric, faithful rendition of tabletop rules, die-rolls and all, old-skool dialogues with no artificially imposed paragon/renegade/flirt/neutral categories, and no nonsense like quest compasses or what have you.

    So I don't see what purpose it would have served to affect an air of world-weary cynicism when I actually am exactly as hyped about this as I say in the preview.
     
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    While your enthusiasm is obvious, it was a little too gushing, particularly at the beginning, and could probably have done with a second voice to give some perspective. It could have been press release, and the effect was to immediately make me suspicious and raise my defences. Fortunately, getting past that your writing style calmed down a bit and there was enough humour and detail to make it an enjoyable read, particularly when the game itself appears to be such a fascinating prospect.

    :bro: to all concerned.
     
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  8. Frygender: ⚧ Magister

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    I'm not sure I'm quite as excited about this game as PJ and the tone is a bit too fawning for my taste, but the writing style is fine. Anyone who considers that "pretentious" must have lived a life mercifully free of academia.

    One UI gripe for the devs... red text on a black background? Fuck you. My eyes. Don't do this.
     
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  9. Kalariongender: ⚧ Learned Patron

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    Ironically this paragraph describing the preview was much more readable and got me much more interested than the way you said it in the preview itself.

    It's a spectrum. If I say "try to be less pretentiously verbose" it means "pare your shit down a bit", not "write as few words as possible and adopt an everything is shit attitude".

    Bumvelcrow got it right saying the preview was much more readable and enjoyable after the first 1-2 paragraphs when you stopped trying to ape Marat Sar.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that's just me, but the style this preview was written in was pretty hard to read.

    But that is not taking away the fact that this is one of the most interesting RPGs in the last decade, looking forward to it.
     
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    Your prose is as purple as a boil on Lenin's arse. But the game looks cool. :salute:
     
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    Does this game carry a negative message about the police?
     
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    Jesus christ that writing :prosper:
     
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    "cops are naturally fascist"

    But maybe they think of fascism as a good thing? :philosoraptor:
     
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    That, and Lithuanian hitmen are cheaper due to less travel cost.

    As an outsider living on the inside, I must say I agree :lol:
    The language can only be a joke, as nobody could have meant that grammatical mess serious. It's like the Brainfuck of actual languages. It does sound pretty nice in songs, though.
    Too bad it turned out that people here are not - contrary to my previous beliefs - actually Wood Elves, so they do not sing to communicate. Instead, when spoken to by people below 70, you get a version of the official language that is so crippled it might as well be its own language.

    And the nationalism here is actually rather peaceful. As someone who views nationalism and other religions as the greatest plagues of mankind, it confuses me to no end.

    Oh, and all Finns I know think that Estonian sounds like a stupid version of Finnish. Kinda like how Dutch sounds to a German. You just have to giggle when you hear it.
     
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    Take this with a grain of salt bros, you know how fast Eesti really is!
    (inb4 two or three deadline delays announced)

    :troll:

    Show Spoiler

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    Something is missing from the Preview, though.

    Went to the article, Ctrl+F, "furr", no match.
     
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    The concept is great, but talk about dialogue system innovations are cheap. Sawyers’ and McComb’s comments about the effects of dispositions and tides on gameplay looked awesome during interviews, but the actual gameplay of PoE and ToN didn’t live up to the hype. Now we have to wait and see. I hope they nail this one.
     
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    I meaned that too, because it wasclear that you got all this from talk with him.

    I think that article about subject should match, fit the subject, and this article have same dimension as game.
    You did exellent work.
    I was just surprised why it wasn't clear to that guy Kalarion.

    It is bad for you, that mean you have no habit to read and try to understand texts beyond your present self.
    This kind of laziness doesn't bring any good for personality.
     
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    They are adamant leftists, so probably not.
     
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    The style reminded me of when I used to read Rock Paper Shotgun, and not in a good way. Sorry.
    However now at least I understand what the game is going to be about and I'm curious about it, so the preview worked.
     
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    This looks like the game I wanted Unrest to be.
     
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    I really don't get the writing criticism. The style went along with the theme and honestly, I couldn't look away. Sucked me right in.
     
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    For the longest time I thought this was called "No Truce With the Furries" and was some steam early access game made by fetishists.
     
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    That's still how I pronounce it in my head, and probably will be forevermore. Obviously I won't ever be able to recommend this game to anyone IRL. :oops:
     
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