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Eternity Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire - BETA Released - Coming May 8th

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Infinitron, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. Naesaki Literate

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    I do enjoy Paradox games but it takes a seriously long time before they reach a state of being 'complete games'. All I can envisage in my head if they make a Tyranny sequel is we'll get 50% of a game and the rest will all come in dlc packs of varying prices. Its a shame that Paradox own the IP but I can't see them doing one on their own either, would be interesting to see a continuation in the world, ah well, we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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  2. Kyl Von Kull Magister

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    Dude, open world 3D RPGs are some of the most expensive games around. I don't know why you're distinguishing between a Bethesda style open world and a Witcher 3 or Far Cry 5 style open world; from a development perspective they're very similar. I always see people throw around $85 to $90 million as the cost of making and marketing Skyrim. Fallout 4 cost more. Witcher 3 + expansions cost $81 million total; a bit cheaper than Bethesda titles.

    You can do a budget open world ARPG like Piranha Bytes specializes in (doubt Elex cost more than $10 million to make), but sub-optimal graphics will hurt your sales. Pillars of Eternity cost less than Elex and sold much, much better, so presumably that's not what Obsidian wants to aim for. The next game--the one Cain and Boyarsky are working on--is supposed to be a 3D sci-fi ARPG, (possibly) with an open world. Given that Take-Two Interactive is publishing that through their indie label, it will probably end up being pretty costly. Since TTWO is publicly traded, we may be able to finagle some information out of them.
     
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  3. Cross Learned

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    You're wrong. Bethesda's open-world games cost a fraction of what it takes to develop other triple-A games. The bulk of the development budget of triple-A games is spent on mo-capped cutscenes and high production values, neither of which are present in Bethesda games. Rockstar and Ubisoft games are made by a 1000+ employees working from different studios across the world, while Bethesda's games are made by a team of around a 100 employees.

    The Witcher is an entirely different story. While it does have high production values, it has the advantage of cheap Polish labor, which is an advantage other triple-A studios don't have.

    This is purely talking development budgets. Marketing budgets are a different story, obviously.
     
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  4. TheSentinel Cipher

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  5. CptMace Liturgist

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    What ? That was true for EU3 or Victoria 2 but since CK2 they're fine at release.
    Vanilla EU3 has basically nothing going on.
     
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  6. FreeKaner Arcane

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    EU4 wasn't fine until at least Common Sense.

    CK2 and EU4 also have a tendency to peak then go downhill.
     
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  7. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    How very respectful of them to do AMA on a subreddit for Critical Role, instead of, I don't know, fucking interacting with their own fanbase on some gaming subreddit, or a Pillars subreddit for that matter.
     
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  8. TheSentinel Cipher

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    The questions would probably have been as gay tbh.
     
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  9. 2house2fly Savant

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    They've done a bunch of AMAs on Reddit over the years, and there's that PR guy Eric who posts there all the time
     
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  10. Fry Magister

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    I doubt that's still true. Bethesda now has studios in Montreal and Austin in addition to the original in Maryland.
     
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  11. santino27 Cipher

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    That AMA is weird. I get that it's from the perspective of Critical Role fans, but they seriously don't seem to understand how voice sets work.

    So I guess we're now appealing to buyers who are dumb enough to think 'voice set' = obsidian imported the characters in their entirety from Crtitical Role and created full-fledged companions with interactions, etc. based on them?
     
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  12. aweigh Arcane

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    “Suffering has been stronger than all other teaching, and has taught me to understand what your heart used to be. I have been bent and broken, but - I hope - into a better shape.”
    Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
     
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  13. Ent Learned

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    Theres someone on the beta board that wants on demand stat respecing. What kind of rpg allows you to get away with that shite?
     
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  14. santino27 Cipher

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    Well, POE allows it for the PC and custom chars at any inn for a nominal fee.
     
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  15. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    There is at least some incline amongst the decline of faggotry.
     
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  16. TheSentinel Cipher

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    Can't he just use cheat codes?
     
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  17. Ent Learned

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    To many there always seems to be a taboo to using console commands and cheats for some reason.
     
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  18. Tenebris Literate

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    The new armors look great but what's with them all slowly getting shoulder pads as they upgrade?
     
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  19. santino27 Cipher

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    Shoulderpads are the true mark of quality.

    Unique armours will have multiple sets of shoulderpads. (Look out for that adventurer... even his shoulderpads have shoulderpads!)

    There will be a quest to determine which of the shoulderpads are real and which were just made up to make people think shoulderpads had been there all along.

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    Technically, shoulder pads (or in this case, armour) are an upgrade over not having shoulder pads. Also requires more material/work to make (in the fictional world), so I can see them fitting into the progression from what is basically just a breastplate or vest.
     
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  20. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Ok, but don't forget that modders are responsible for about 150% of all manhours spent developing Bethesda games.
     
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  21. HoboForEternity Arcane

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    eh obsidian has always handled this kind of things well from arcade gannon even the lesbian couple in tyranny.

    They never really felt token ish like biowarean character and they are just people who happens to be homosexuals.
     
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  22. cruelio Learned

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    Legendarily fine on release games like Hearts of Iron 4, EU4, and Stellaris.

    Ironically, the one that was fine on release, CK2, was then fucked up with the worst DLC ever invented. Thanks for adding India instead of refining the half baked shit still in the part of the map that had CRUSADER KINGS.
     
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  23. Generic-Giant-Spider Educated

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    Respecialization is garbage that should never be in any RPG to begin with. One of the hidden joys in life is fucking up your character and leaving them in a dark corner as a reference of what not to do on any future characters you create. It's like when people go into college or university for some useless trash such as gender studies and wind up having wasted their time and money and now shine shoes or cut off chicken heads in the middle of the street to try and turn a profit. They didn't do their character right, they fucked it up, now they're paying the consequences.

    That's life and a great RPG should embrace that feeling of inner turmoil that is, "I spent 20 hours and my character can't shoot for shit, can't disarm traps and now he's in a life or death situation with a wild dog. How did it all come to this?"

    Now most people today would never fly with that and will throw a bitch fit of, "But I hate wasting my time, it's too important and I can be doing other things instead." That's when someone like Josh Sawyer should be like, "Too bad. That's the way it is, punk. Don't like it, then go load up Getting Over It and play a game more your speed, kid."

    Ideally, an AMA would disintegrate into the developers calling all the casuals a bunch of thin-wristed pussyboys and to man up and embrace their dogshit theorycrafting and need to cowgirl off other people's builds.
     
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  24. CptMace Liturgist

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    None of them was as shallow and pointless as vanilla EU3 though.
     
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  25. Thonius Savant

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    While I agree with you in spirit... I don't have time to rerol chars and go trough prologues.
     
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