Karwelas
Dwarf Taffer
No, no. Of course I prefer to wait King out.
For the time being. After the fey pack up and leave? That's our problem.I think Finvarra already has them pacified to prevent the outbreak of hostilities.
For all we know the Seekers could go to war over this. Mages take their secrets very seriously. And if the Seekers do leave, that sets a bad precedent for our other newly disgruntled men.And if they get pissed, well, too bad.
To the contrary, the seekers haven't done anything yet without our say-so. And we haven't even met up with the army or the military conflicts where we would probably need the services of a company of battlemages. Hell, I'd want them just as magical batteries so we can cast a ton of heals to recover the wounded when we need to.If they had their way, we would have fought Cropper and his pals without even talking to them, would have our team infiltrated by the Watcher's agents (because we learned they were compromised only after talking to Cropper), and would have a totally unwarranted fight with the fairie lord on our hands. They have disobeyed a direct order while being under a mistaken assumption, too. Looking back at how they conducted themselves, I see that their actions so far benefit neither us, nor the Kingdom. They are proving to be more trouble that they are worth, and do not justify their reputation of a professional outfit.
To maintain the loyalty of our men, including the Seekers. Also, to preserve our secrets.If we weigh the usefulness of the Seekers and of the potential alliance with another force in the south, I see no reason to sacrifice the latter to gain... what exactly? The Seeker's respect? I don't see any.
If it worked for Berty it can work for us. We're not denying him everything. His men wanted the compromised scouts, and we will let him have all of them. And if you want you can offer to have him to place some men with us to observe and assist our mutual endeavors as an alliance against the dark (Fangshi, voting 2A). That way he still has some assurance of our behavior and we get both the Seekers and the fey on our side. He doesn't have enough reason to resent this and risk a battle instead. As for long-term relationships, I think he is more likely to respect us in the long term if we stand up against this outrageous request than if we negotiate for terms of surrender.If you think you could negotiate for something better, that is fine, but I do not see a platform from which we could negotiate.
The King stated he is not going to leave until he scans our army. What exactly have you got to stop him? You can threaten a confrontation that may well result in a wipe of both parties and count on him being the wiser one, but something tells me that it is not going to be productive for our long-term relationships.
What you're proposing isn't a real negotation. You're bending over backwards and trying to preserve your interests. My suggestion may be a forceful negotiation, sure, but it's a negotiation nonetheless and a battle of wills is much more likely to work here than a battle of diplomacy where his charisma will crush us anyhow. Plus we have a working Iron Will spell for the occasion now. And if you want an alliance, you will need him to respect us more as equals.Mind you, I do not say that my way is better, as I do not know how they will react to what they find in our heads. All I am saying that I will try to push for our alliance in good faith, and I won't willingly become the reason for a breakdown in our negotiations.
Well, they are free to go to war, then, and I will gladly give them the necessary space while an army that outnumbers them 5-to-1 buries them. Some people just aren't learning animals.Absinthe said:You assume they'd just pack up and leave. They could go to war over this.
I am pretty sure this qualifies as acting without our say-so.Absinthe said:To the contrary, the seekers haven't done anything yet without our say-so.
It was only by our plan to involve the necklaces and having Maz' projection scare the Seekers into submission that we got them to comply.The Old Man begins to channel, you grab him by the shoulder and hiss in his ear, “What are you doing!”
“Killing a few demons,” he answers coldly.
“Not without my orders,” you insist.
“Then give the order,” he replies, his voice sharp as a razor. He breaks free from you and in a blink speeds his way back to his section of the line. With or without your help it seems that the Seekers are set on fighting this battle. Perhaps you should have expected that given their known attitude toward the 'unnatural'.
Boo-hoo. Weren't the scouts that were pissed (the captain, to be precise) found to be the Watcher's agents?Absinthe said:And this isn't a reasonable request, we're asking our whole army to agree to being brain-scanned by the fey. Even our scouts were pissed at being interrogated, putting the whole army (mostly mercenaries) through it is going to damage our leadership because they will resent that shit.
I don't see a problem with loyalty.Absinthe said:To maintain the loyalty of our men, including the Seekers.
Finvarra knows Berty, he knows not to fuck with Berty, and he knows Berty is not compromised, so there is no point in duking it out with him. We aren't Berty, though, which is why he insists on scanning us, and even Berty does not seem to dissuade him from that idea.Absinthe said:If it worked for Berty it can work for us.
Absinthe said:What would happen if we cast the Warrior's Mask with the Conqueror's Path?
Absinthe said:Also, how soon could we add war cries to our repertoire of vocal magic?
How much quicker?You would also have less fine motor control as a result and you would wear out quicker.
Is our musical magic going to be limited to simply meta-magic, that is, channeling existing spells through notes?You could probably come up with them fairly quickly since it would just be a question of channeling your magic through a single sustained note.
Nevill said:How much quicker?
Right now I am trying to figure out if it is a good idea to cast in on an elephant before a charge to protect it better.
Nevill said:Is our musical magic going to be limited to simply meta-magic, that is, channeling existing spells through notes?
Nevill said:Doesn't it have some cool spells of its own?
Nevill said:Well, the question then becomes what benefit is there in channelling spells in a diffferent way?
Nevill said:Does it give them some extra properties?
Nevill said:Does it make them easier to cast or modify?
Nevill said:Does it allow us to cast more?
Nevill said:Does it make chaining spells easier?
Nevill said:What is the difference?
This lesson is for beginning guitarists looking for an easy way to learn a lot of songs quickly. There are loads of exceptions to these guidelines, but we're not trying for a comprehensive collection of chord progressions here. Instead, we'll be using the 80/20 rule (the Pareto Principle - 20% of your work yields 80% of your results) and looking at the 4 most common chord progressions used in thousands of songs. Once you have these basic progressions under your fingers, you'll find it simple to adapt them to one of the exceptions. Maybe a couple of the chords are flipped, or it starts in the middle.
Here's what we'll discuss: - The 4 chord progressions that will get you through thousands of songs; - I'll address common questions about this subject; - What to do with this information now that you have it; - The most common keys you should practice these progressions in; - Tips and ideas for songwriters. I'll give you these progressions in Roman Numeral (or Nashville) format so they can be transposed to any key. The example chords will be for the key of C major.
The General Purpose Progression
In any key, the I, IV, and V chords (e.g. C, F, and G) are called the Primary Chords and they'll form the bulk of many progressions.
So your first progression is any combination of those chords:
I IV - "Imagine" by John Lennon or "Everybody Talks" by Neon Trees.
I V - "The Gambler" by Kenny Rodgers or "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" from "Cheers."
I IV V I - "Basket Case" by Green Day or "You're Beautiful" by James Blunt.
I V IV I - "All the Small Things" by Blink-182 or "Born This Way" by Lady Gaga.
I IV I V I - A basic 12-bar blues.
The Pop Progression
This next chord progression is the most overused in all of pop music as evidenced by Axis Of Awesome's video "4 Chords."
I V Vi IV (C G Am F) - "Time After Time" by Cyndi Lauper, "Someone Like You" by Adele, and countless other songs.
There is a common variation of this one that goes vi IV I V.
It's exactly the same progression, but starting from the vi (Am) and going around the progression - "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne, "Grenade" by Bruno Mars or "What If God Was One of Us?" by Joan Osbourne.
The Jazz Progression
A zillion jazz standards are built around this progression: ii V I (Dm G C) - "Satin Doll" by Duke Ellington or "Autumn Leaves" by everybody.
It's also seen in the pop world in songs like "Boyfriend" by Justin Bieber and parts of "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen.
Never again will you see those two artists mentioned in the same sentence.
The 1950's Progression
This chord progression and its variant were well used in the 1940's and 1950's for both ballad and uptempo songs.
I vi ii V (C Am Dm G) - "Sherry" by The Four Seasons or "Fool on the Hill" by The Beatles.
I vi IV V (C Am F G) - "Hallelujah" by Leonard Cohen or "Poor Little Fool" by Ricky Nelson.
The only difference between these two progressions is the Dm (in the first) and the F (in the second). Dm and F share two of the same notes (F and A) making them common substitutions for one another.
Common Questions
Now that we've very brazenly narrowed down the last 100 years of popular music to four chord progressions, let me answer a few of your questions to put this in perspective:
Why do these progressions get used so often over other possibilities? - Because they work. That's not to say that every song written with these chord progressions is going to be a hit. But popular songwriting is a delicate balance of doing something that can be considered new and fresh, but still retaining a comfortable sound that gives the passive listener something comfortable and familiar to grab on to to pull them into the song.
How can two songs using the same common chord progression sound so different? - The chords are only one part of what makes a song. We have lots of other tools at our disposal to create different sounds with the same old ingredients, such as:
- Playing in different keys - i.e. F major instead of C major.
- Arrangement - Which instruments are being used playing which notes of the chord on which parts and how are they mixed in the recording?
- Chord extensions - Adding 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, 13ths, and other alterations to a chord can give it a drastically different sound even if the root relationships are the same.
- Rhythm - Listeners latch onto rhythms before anything else. So by changing up the groove, you can make old stuff sound new again.
- Melody - There are countless melodies that can be played over a given chord progression, all making the song into something new. Though you'll often find periods in musical history where even melodies and rhythms get recycled a lot. (Like now.)
What To Do With This Information Now
- Lyrics - Above all, what really makes a listener connect with and love a song is the lyrics.
Now that you know these basic chord progressions, you've got a shortcut to learning hundreds of songs. Go find any three songs right now here on UG and see which of these progressions they use. As I mentioned, you will find loads of songs outside of these three progressions. However, it's usually just one more basic chord thrown in or changing the order of the chords. By getting your basic progressions down cold, you'll already have the moves under your fingers. Here are three I grabbed at random:
"Cemetery Gates" by Pantera - vi I V IV - a flip on the second "'50s Progression".
"...Like Clockwork" by Queens Of The Stone Age - vi I V ii - a variation on the "Pop Progression".
"Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons - ii IV I V - a flip and variation on the "Jazz Progression".
Which Keys Should You Practice These In?
The beauty of the Roman Numeral (or Nashville) system is that it's easy to transpose to whatever key you need. But again, in the interest of the 80/20 rule, focus on just the most common keys when practicing these progressions. Once you've got them down, the other keys (especially on guitar) will come very easily. Practice in these 5 common and important keys: C, D, E, G, and A.
Tips And Ideas For Songwriters
As a songwriter, you have the choice of using these progressions or not. In my opinion, it comes down to where you want to challenge the listener. That often comes down to a balance between the lyrics and the music. If you're writing lyrics that are going to be difficult for the listener to keep up with, but you need them to for the song to work, then maybe you want to use a simpler progression so they're not subconsciously trying to figure out what's going on musically at same time. In a lot of my work, I write a ton of jokes and wordplay into the lyrics. Or maybe there's a really defined plot to the story you want them to follow along on. Or maybe you just have a really important message you want to get across. In those cases, I'll use a simpler chord progression that's easy to latch onto so the listener can focus on the lyrics instead. If, however, you're writing a song where you want to music to take center stage, whether that be an instrumental piece or something with a lyric that's easy to comprehend, then you can go with a more challenging chord progression and musical arrangement. Can you create a song with complex lyrics and complex music? Of course you can! You can do anything you want. See how your audience responds to it and go from there. Now you've got the 4 most common chord progression, some sample song ideas, and the most common keys you should practice them in. When you have them down to the point where you're bored with them and desperately seeking out songs with more interesting progressions, congratulations! You're a better guitarist than when you started
Nevill said:Say, we could cast Assault like we always did, or we could cast it as a sort of Command: Fall spell. Is there any reason to prefer one over the other?
Pfft. Just promise the loyalists the share of the traitors. There will be nary an objection from regular mercs.- Submit to the scan under certain conditions and hope your people don't revolt once they have their senses back
Nevill said:Pfft. Just promise the loyalists the share of the traitors. There will be nary an objection from regular mercs.
Nevill said:from regular mercs.
If it is any consolation it is a nice big one.
Nevill said:As long as no one dies
Nevill said:we get our doges.
Baltika9 said:I'd like to have Enrico Dandolo as our doge.
Guide to being a Seeker.Well, it is not like you are about to screw over a bunch of paranoid and violent battlemages or anything...