Development Info Gothic 3 no-so-GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD

[Claw]

Athlon 3500+, 1024 MBs of RAM and a GeForce 6600 GT. I was kinda surprised to see how awful the game looked with the default details.

You fag should be able to run it at least at 800x600 with medium setting, according to that chart, so stop whining.
I only have an Athlong 3200+ 'cus my board doesn't support any higher. And the worst thing is, my board boast supporting two 1 Gig RAMs running in dual-channel mode, but despite putting them in correctly, it proudly proclaims running in single-channel mode every time I boot.
I hope I'll at least be able to use those 2 Gigs of RAM in the next board I buy.

 

[Elwro]

You fag should be able to run it at least at 800x600 with medium setting, according to that chart, so stop whining.

I know, unclefucker. I was talking about Oblivion there.

I only have an Athlong 3200+ 'cus my board doesn't support any higher. And the worst thing is, my board boast supporting two 1 Gig RAMs running in dual-channel mode, but despite putting them in correctly, it proudly proclaims running in single-channel mode every time I boot.

I guess it's stupid to ask that, but did you look for a BIOS upgrade or sth? Or did you thoroughly clean your RAM slots :D?
Also, I have a new mobo with AM2 socket and guys in my shop had trouble finding RAM which would work with it (only Geil did.). Maybe your mobo just likes RAM from some specific companies? If it's relatively new, you could still go back to the shop, throw your RAM in their faces and demand they give you something that works. Also, have them check it with your mobo in the shop while you're watching. That's what I do and it never failed me yet.

 

[Sovy Kurosei]

Athlon 3500+, 1024 MBs of RAM and a GeForce 6600 GT. I was kinda surprised to see how awful the game looked with the default details.

That makes me feel a bit better then.

Guess I'll be waiting for the performance optimisation patch then..

What performance optimization patch?

 

[Claw]

You fag should be able to run it at least at 800x600 with medium setting, according to that chart, so stop whining.

I know, unclefucker. I was talking about Oblivion there.

Well I guess I just can't read English then, child-molester!

I guess it's stupid to ask that, but did you look for a BIOS upgrade or sth? Or did you thoroughly clean your RAM slots :D?

Well, I got an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe. I should have the newest upgrade; it's been a while since I checked. I don't have fitting pairs of different brands at hand really, but I made sure to use two identical sticks, tried different valid configurations, nothing. Messing around with the RAM did screw up my bios royally though, caused boot errors and crashed until I stopped messing around and rebooted a couple of times.

If it's relatively new, you could still go back to the shop, throw your RAM in their faces and demand they give you something that works. Also, have them check it with your mobo in the shop while you're watching. That's what I do and it never failed me yet.

Well, the shop I bought it up is pretty bad in that department. It's not a retailer, and at some point downgraded its customer services significantly. I once brought my PC back because of strange power failures and it took them a month to change the mobo - failing to notice the loose contact in the power supply which caused the error.
I wouldn't buy from them if I didn't buy my stuff over the company I work for, saving tax. And even so I've considered buying elsewhere recently.

I think I'll just wait for my next upgrade, which probably isn't too far away.

 

[Elwro]

OK. I'm not suggesting screwing around the intestines of your PC too much, but I remember that some time ago my PC started to reboot randomly and failed to see one my RAM cards. It turned out that it was just too dusty inside and I just had to take RAM out, clean it, and put it back inside. If the problem is that your mobo doesn't recognize one of your RAM cards, I'd recommend checking this if you have some free time.

 

[Claw]

Unfortunately, I did the basic checks already. Both sticks work fine in either slot, just trying to use both fails to have any effect.

 

[RadioGnome Invisible]

Claw
THIS ONE?

So, its nForce2 Ultra 400 then. Perhaps, you should check the following:
1) Try searching for memory compatibility sheets for this m/b. Sometimes some memory module models refuse to work with no apparent reason with particular motherboard.
2) Try decreasing memory speed (from 400 to 333 or 266) - some motherboards do not support full speeds with large modules (1GB or more each). Maybe that's the case.
3) Try raising memory voltage 5-10%, sometimes it helps to resolve stability issues.
4) Read the fucking manual. Some motherboards require special SS/DS module combinations to work because of memory controller limitations. If both your memory modules are double-sided, it's highly possible.

BTW,
5) Dual channel requires identical modules (or at least with the same number of banks, sides, speed and timing modes) to run. Are you sure these sticks are not too different?

Good luck.

Back to the topic:
I wonder whether framerate there is limited by CPU or videocard?

 

[Inziladun]

Back to the topic:
I wonder whether framerate there is limited by CPU or videocard?

Yeah, me too. Building a machine this week, unlike the benchmark though, i'm going with a Conroe. If it only plays this game at around 30 FPS i'm going to be pissed. I hate it when devs don't optimise their games.

Hopefully my CPU will be able to gain me a few more frames than what was shown in that benchmark.

 

[Stalin]

I hate geek porn

 

[RadioGnome Invisible]

Hopefully my CPU will be able to gain me a few more frames than what was shown in that benchmark.

Likely not. I've examined this scan again... Look at that diagram closely - the difference between A64 3200+ (single core) with 1Gb RAM and A64 4600+ (dual core) with 2Gb is about 4 FPS, and pretty much is explained by more powerful videocard on 4600+ system. Looks like this game is not that CPU-dependent and most likely ignores second core.

I hate geek porn.

How about THIS?

 

[Claw]

BTW,
5) Dual channel requires identical modules (or at least with the same number of banks, sides, speed and timing modes) to run. Are you sure these sticks are not too different?

Good luck.

Thanks. The modules are as identical as I can make it without buying a set. Same brand and specs. But I'll try some of your suggestions.


And why the fuck is my name in all those quotes of different people? Can't you people quote properly?

 

[RadioGnome Invisible]

Ooops, sorry. I guess i have to sleep from time to time after all.

Edited.

 

[suibhne]

Anyway, Oblivion runs similarly on my PC in 640x480 and 1024x768. Weird...

Not really. It's CPU-limited iirc, not videocard-limited, so that makes perfect sense. (The CPU does basically the same work at 640x480 as at 1600x1200, whereas the GPU has to render a much larger number of pixels.)

Anyway, I was planning to wait on a new system until UT2k7, but maybe Gothic 3 is reason enough to take the plunge. :wink:

 

[Elwro]

Not really. It's CPU-limited iirc, not videocard-limited, so that makes perfect sense.

Yeah, it's just that some uninformed people told me that the stress was put on the videocard.
Anyway, if G3 is using the same engine as Oblivion, I hope that the CPU will be the main factor when it coems to framerate, too...

 

[Higher Game]

Well, Oblivion needs the CPU for its awesome AI, of course.

 

[Hazelnut]

It's gold again apparently... press release

Oh, I do hope it's good and manages to sell well enough to consign Oblivion to the status that it truely deserves in the gaming world's collective consiousness. That'd be nice wouldn't it.

 

[GhanBuriGhan]

It's gold again apparently... press release

Oh, I do hope it's good and manages to sell well enough to consign Oblivion to the status that it truely deserves in the gaming world's collective consiousness. That'd be nice wouldn't it.

dreamer

 

[franc kaos]

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3152676&did=1

Well, the comparisons have began, and according to Computer Gaming World (US), it's an Oblivion beater so far, except in combat. Here's hoping Bethesda take note...

 

[suleo]

it's an Oblivion beater so far, except in combat.

Except in combat??? Oblivion's combat was shit and G1/2's combat was great (for me).

What's wrong with the combat? Or was it just "teh hard" for the reviewer?

EDIT: Damn, they munchkinized combat!

"Fights in Gothic are handled by an auto-aim system and a whole lot of clicking your left-mouse button. Without any sort of dynamic physics or even much player input, battles simply feel like average affairs."

WTF???

Here's to hoping there is an option to stil use G2 controls...

 

[Data4]

"So whats up with no Multiplayer? Multiplayer is something that should be in almost every game by now. Its not very hard to do. A lot of games use mods or patches to implant this. But this game says no? Oblivian no? MP is something that could have seperated this game from Oblivian, now its left as the kid brother, when it could of been its own lone wolf."

There's sig material in there.

-D4

 

[psycojester]

Please don't do that Data4, if i have to read that everytime i get to the end of a post. i'm going to loose the will to live.

 

[Claw]

Bah. The combat description's gotta be a joke. Everyone else seems to complain that it's difficult to keep the focus on an enemy. And what's the problem with clicking the mouse button? That's what you get when the mouse buttons handle attacks and blocking. You could as well complain about an FPS being alot of mouse cliicking.
I've seen a video showing the player having to run from two skeletons because he just tried to rapid-click them away. Maybe if he'd thought of blocking, he'd have stood a chance.

lol@physics

PS: download-link: http://download.gamestar.de/public/gstv ... wei_hi.flv

 

[Data4]

Please don't do that Data4, if i have to read that everytime i get to the end of a post. i'm going to loose the will to live.

Hehe... I won't. But, you know what makes that posting so great? It's a classic example of an idiot trying to look smart by dropping figurative language in there in the midst of shitty spelling and grammar. It reminds me of Oswald Bates, the prison poet in a skit from In Living Color who uses big words incorrectly: "Unfortunately, we could not impregnate everyone. It is simply beyond our colonic threshold."

-D4

 

[franc kaos]

EDIT: Damn, they munchkinized combat!

Here's to hoping there is an option to stil use G2 controls...

That's what I'm praying for too, that unlike Bethesda, they recognise that there's more than one type of player out there, and offer more options.
ADD 13 year old Oblivion fan - handholding
semi articulate reader type - easy combat with deep RPG options
Gothic veteran - just try it, we dare you!

(offtopic: Why do all PC dictionaries try to spell words in American, even when you set it to British? Recognise has a S not a damn Z, and colour has a U in it... grumble, whinge, complain...).

 

[psycojester]

The problem is that children aren't beaten enough these days. Probably in real life but primarily in games, all this hand holding is a result of people never having experienced games like leisure suit larry 2. Where it was possibly to loose if you missed picking the shaving cream in the beginning