FPS with mazelike/quality leveldesign

[Jacob]

what about the new descent game, guys? is it good?

 

[DraQ]

Doom 2 feels like a collection of maps with uneven difficulty spikes and design ideas, while Quake 2 campaign feels like a clear progression with gradually increasing difficulty curve (cue DraQ complaining about how easy it was)

Well, technically an increase with a slope of 0 is still an increase if you really want to stretch it.

As for difficulty spikes, smooth difficulty curve is overrated, it's supposed to be an adrenaline pumping shootan, not a lulaby.

It also tries to have a narrative without ever doing Half-Life retardation on you.

True, HL has got nothing on sheer magnitude of Q2's derp.

The world of Quake 2 feels like it all fits together, while Doom 2 was a collection of random monsters in a collection of "experimental" level designs.

The difference is that Doom 2's less coherent world wasn't boring and homogeneous. Neither were far more coherent worlds of Hexen, Strife, System Shocks, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Quake, Unreal, Half-Life and so on.

The only concession I'm willing to make here is that Q2's levels often had nice connectivity - if only it wasn't such a complete waste of talent in every possible way.

For the lack of a better word, Quake 2 campaign feels "mature"

Those two letters aren't even adjacent, FFS.

Q2 is "mature" in the same way every other dudebro militaristic shooter has been - cowaduty, SoF, etc.
Accusing HL of somehow spoiling the genre while earlier Q2 was both more hitscan dominant, rewarded popamole tactics and appealed to the same sort of dudebro aesthetics as all the decline bringing shooters we so like to complain about is hilarious.

Oh and Quake 2 backtracking has nothing on stuff like Hexen. Maybe it's because I nearly passed Hexen, which was an insane fucking game, but Quake 2 backtracking seemed just perfect in length and "puzzliness" to me.

Since when is backtracking a bad thing?
The opposite of backtracking is being stuck on a rail.

 

[tormund]

Jedi Outcast had some of the worst level design in history and I will repeat this till the end of the world.

That won't make it true, but it will continue to point your lack of taste to others.

 

[Baron Dupek]

what about the new descent game, guys? is it good?

a) decent
b) new
pick one

 

[tormund]

AFAIK, that Descent: Underground game is MP only.

 

[valcik]

Chaser, more than decade old Slovak sci-fi FPS. Hellishly hard combat, huge levels, not intended for modern gamers or pussies! Dirty cheap on GOG btw.

 

[Excidium II]

what about the new descent game, guys? is it good?

a) decent
b) new
pick one

There's like 5 of those. I can't remember any of the names.

 

[vortex]

If you can wait, there will be released soon Hard Reset: Redux with new katana weapon and enhanced gameplay.

 

[Excidium II]

Hard Reset is trash. Does that new version at least change the weapon mechanics so it doesn't take ten days to switch weapons?

 

[Parsifarka]

Mazes and shooting? Catacomb 3D, obviously. Armageddon and Apocalypse expansions are even better.

 

[Fowyr]

Not FPS, but Legacy had very good levels. Just imagine more RPG-ish System Shock.
Also I second Strife.

 

[oddech_wymarlych_swiatow]

Mazes and shooting? Catacomb 3D, obviously. Armageddon and Apocalypse expansions are even better.

Horribly unplayable even in '90. It's of course a technological milestone but apart from that, boring as fuck.

 

[dunno lah]

Jedi Outcast had some of the worst level design in history and I will repeat this till the end of the world.

That won't make it true, but it will continue to point your lack of taste to others.

Artus Mines, the first Cairn level and the Doomgiver levels were the best (Just don't abuse the jump and pull trick). But its been a while since I last played JK2.

 

[Fowyr]

Horribly unplayable even in '90. It's of course a technological milestone but apart from that, boring as fuck.

They had their charm and were mercifully short, especially if you used these "skip levels" secret teleports.

 

[ManjuShri]

Vietcong had its moments.

 

[Parsifarka]

Horribly unplayable even in '90. It's of course a technological milestone but apart from that, boring as fuck.

I would agree in reference to the one by id software (although I didn't find it THAT boring, but yeah, it was a glorified tech demo), but the sequels are very enjoyable.

 

[Gerrard]

Jedi Outcast had some of the worst level design in history and I will repeat this till the end of the world.

That won't make it true, but it will continue to point your lack of taste to others.

The only person with shit taste on display is you.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Trouble spotting Rodians? Maybe you should have your eyes checked

 

[Carrion]

Finally giving you a lightsaber after having spent hours shooting stuff with those shitty blasters and then filling the very next level with snipers was a masterful move by the developers.

Goddamn I miss 2002 and every year before that.

 

[Increasing]

Jedi Knight and Jedi Knight 2 aren't straight FPS games. They are like hybrids of FPS, melee action and 3D platforming. It would be fairer to classify them as action adventures...

 

[Fowyr]

Doom has chainsaw "melee action" as well. As well as Witchaven that suddenly, according to you, is not FPS.
Even Blood had "platforming" level (bowels of Tchernobog or something, E4m7, I think)

DF2 just FPS with a story like many others after Half-Life or, hell, even Strife.

 

[vortex]

Btw, how do guys you percieve a perfect mazelike level design ?

 

[Increasing]

Doom has chainsaw "melee action" as well. As well as Witchaven that suddenly, according to you, is not FPS.
Even Blood had "platforming" level (bowels of Tchernobog or something, E4m7, I think)

DF2 just FPS with a story like many others after Half-Life or, hell, even Strife.

You would be hard pressed to find FPS without melee weapon of some sort...
JK is a different beast.
You are ignoring the degree to which lightsaber combat is developed and present in those games, as well as amount and design of platforming...

 

[Darth Roxor]

lightsaber combat is hella developed and advanced in jedi knight

press alt fire to double swipe

 

[Fowyr]

You are ignoring the degree to which lightsaber combat is developed and present in those games, as well as amount and design of platforming...

Developed? Not really. Block - slash- block.
I only used it in boss battles, but even then some of them were killed with ranged weapons. That little goblin and angsty young Sith spring to mind.