KickStarter Fig - a new equity-based crowdfunding platform - shut down, RIP

[Kz3r0]

You think it's reasonable and/or logical to continue to invest in the ventures of someone who has shown to either be incompetent or fraudulent?

:mrpresident:

Spoiler

 

[Straight elf]

I, too, see fig as an opposite to Kickstarter. For me, Kickstarter was never about getting rid of evil publishers. I was happy to buy games with EA/Microsoft logos on the box as long as said games were Dungeon Keeper and Age of Empires. Rather Kickstarter showed there is an alternative for devs interested in making games for people like me ('old school' although that can mean all sorts of hipstery these days; maybe better games inspired by old Interplay's 'by gamers for gamers' philosophy 'rather than Bioware 'button awesome button awesome') and make a sustainable living out of it. That was what guys like Shafer and Fargo were saying in the beginning: 'We just want to make games for you guys'.

This iii shizzle makes it look like what they really want is to make another Skyrim. Well, that's nice but I don't give a fuck about Skyrim. Furthermore, while corporations are pretty clueless now and then, I am pretty confident number crunchers at EA are much better at estimating whether investing millions into another Skyrim or 5 is likely to generate decent retunr on investment than guys like me. And even if the general public was somehow better at this than corps, what good would it do to us? At least I don't care about earning money through games, I earn money by working so I can support guys like Vince or Harebrained Schemes so they can make awesome games for me to enjoy.

I'm sorry to say it, Obsidian nad inXile, but I won't become a figgot. But if you guys decide to stop figging around with Skyrim and use your considerable talents to make good PC games again, I'll be happy to contribute.

 

[SerratedBiz]

I don't see them talking about numbers anywhere near what a Skyrim would cost. Surely this couldn't be codexers projecting their innermost fears into the current news thing they don't like?

Where I feel the stupid is coming from is all these people thinking that Fig will crash because of Schafer. Like anyone gives a fuck about him. Fig will succeed or not based on its own merit ability to lure rich dweebs.

 

[DeepOcean]

Still, I don't know why the fuck they chosen the most boring indie crap I ever seen to be their first game. I understand they wanting to be catious and don't starting with something bigger but I dunno... even Blobbers must sell more than that... thing, they have on the site.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[J_C]

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[J_C]

 

[StaticSpine]

If they were foresighted enough their could bring Larian with D:OS 2 as their first FIGstarter project, not that hipster space game.

 

[Excidium II]

Assuming Larian wants anything to do with this.

 

[Metro]

Leave it to Tim Schafer and crew to ruin the reputation of a perfectly good fruit.

 

[Azrael the cat]

I don't see them talking about numbers anywhere near what a Skyrim would cost. Surely this couldn't be codexers projecting their innermost fears into the current news thing they don't like?

Where I feel the stupid is coming from is all these people thinking that Fig will crash because of Schafer. Like anyone gives a fuck about him. Fig will succeed or not based on its own merit ability to lure rich dweebs.

Also, people here don't seem to comprehend the difference between 'Board' and 'executive position'.

For a start, board members aren't usually paid anything, unless you're talking large multinational. Board appoints the management, they don't run fur company themselves.

 

[Metro]

So someone with Tim's high acumen for fiscal responsibility will be selecting the people who run the company? What could go wrong?

 

[Stokowski]

It's funny to see who people are so fixated on one person

You're not that important.

 

[Dexter]

Tim Schafer is a joke at this point, his game studio all but failed, he's the $3.3 million man.

People found out that Bobby Kotick was right about him all along by his mishandling of Broken Age, Spacebase DF-9 and some of the other late games:

At this point he's a running joke with references in several games:

Thankfully we have advertising plant J_C here to defend his honor.

He's also luckily overlooking Justin Bailey's involvement, who was responsible for Double Fine's finances as its COO.

 

[Lady_Error]

When I hear the name Fig, I kind of think of this:

A fig leaf is widely used figuratively to convey the covering up of an act or an object that is embarrassing or distasteful with something of innocuous appearance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_leaf

The fig sign is a mildly obscene gesture used in Turkish and Slavic cultures. This gesture is most commonly used to refuse giving of aid or to disagree with the target of gesture. Usually it is connected with requests for a financial loan or assistance with performing physical work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_sign

You can't make this shit up.

 

[StaticSpine]

Assuming Larian wants anything to do with this.

Sure, I just saw inXile presenting D:OS2 KS campaign in the latest W2 update and that's how I got the idea.

 

[Gambler]

Tim Schafer's involved so they can all go fuck themselves.

While I understand the sentiment, I also recognize that it's similar to what drives SJW campaigns. They get offended by something you say or do, and the next thing you know, they disinvite you from events, exclude you from organizations and campaign against your works. Meanwhile, none of that has any relation to the origin of the shitstorm. (E.g. shirtgate.) It's hard to separate author from his work, but after reading about five or six Twitter outrage campaigns, I think it's what everyone should try to do.

To be clear, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be held accountable for a disappointment that was Broken Age.

I wonder how much control those 1K "investors" will get over production. I also wonder how much regulation is around this thing. Will game reviewers be able to invest into this anonymously? I admit, I just glazed over good half of the interview.

 

[Jackalope]

Tim Schafer is starting a business... Wat? Is he banned from Kickstarter or something? How long before all the money is gone? Three months? This Fig is roasted from day one.

 

[Outlander]

Ah, the pleasure of watching a trainwreck in the making.

 

[Ellef]

A bunch of frauds and average businessmen want to bypass KS fees, and want to convince people that Vidya is a good investment

99% here shoot it down, J_C protects fellow shady characters and Infinitron Jews out on potential income to siphon from it. All is right on the codex.

 

[Infinitron]

A bunch of frauds and average businessmen want to bypass KS fees, and want to convince people that Vidya is a good investment

99% here shoot it down, J_C protects fellow shady characters and Infinitron Jews out on potential income to siphon from it. All is right on the codex.

Man, why does it need to be "shot down"? This is a gaming forum, shoot down games. It's not our business to give a fuck how they're founded.

 

[Ellef]

Things bad for games should be shot down. These clowns want to to make pseudo shareholders out of people who think games are a good investment (mentally deranged), after going to KS to talk about how big bad publishers kill their potential, or just plain rob people with unfinished crap.

 

[Infinitron]

Things bad for games should be shot down. These clowns want to to make pseudo shareholders out of people who think games are a good investment (mentally deranged), after going to KS to talk about how big bad publishers kill their potential, or just plain rob people with unfinished crap.

Eh, one platform offers a 0% chance of recouping one's investment, the other offers a non-zero chance, however low.

No, I'm pretty sure your 99% are just angry at this particular group of "clowns" and would bitch about pretty much any initiative they undertake, including a regular Kickstarter.

I mean, why deny it? Come on, lots of people on this forum hate Schafer, Fargo and Feargus now. It's okay, just admit you want everything they do to fail while you point and laugh.

 

[Mustawd]

Y'know...what's interesting to me is that almost no one is discussing what seems to be the whole point of this fig thing: To produce games that have near AAA production value but with indie sensibilities (aka non conventional gameplay, mechanics, and ideas).

I mean imagine a proper Fallout 3 with AAA production values...Sorry...I just jizzed in my pants a bit...

EDIT: That to me at least brings a little incline to the picture. That being said...bringing someone like Tim Schafer, a known pariah in the crowdfunding scene, seems to be a huge miscalculation on the founders of Fig. Especially since this "advisory board" will be a de facto curator on what goes on fig in the first place.