StraitLacedDeviant
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"Dragonshard" D&D RTS announced and previewed!
- Thread starter atari_dm
- Start date
Monte Carlo
Liturgist
Yeah, I'm sure his "friends" who told him that this would be a good place to post this are reading this thread and trying not to spit coffee all over their monitor screens.
"I don't freakin' believe it....he fell for it."
Cheers
MC
"I don't freakin' believe it....he fell for it."
Cheers
MC
StraitLacedDeviant
Erudite
Whipporowill said:
Do they have brizzt the all new drow hero who wields two sabres and fights for all thats good and righteous.
Voss
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Actually the setting that the tacked this RTS onto is rather interesting (its the new Wizards' setting Eberron- no godlike heros, no gods walking the earth, actual political relationships between nations, actual reasons for things, etc).
Unfortunately, they decided to introduce it to the computer game market with a generic RTS and an online game.
Sad, really.
Unfortunately, they decided to introduce it to the computer game market with a generic RTS and an online game.
Sad, really.
well, Eberron does have a pretty good setting and background that would lend itself to an RPG/RTS pretty well.
I think the big question is "What do they mean by RPG?" If they mean stat driven hero development then folks aren't going to warm to it. If they mean political negotiation dialogs, hero customization on top of stat advancement, and a solid story line that response to the players actions appropriately then you might actually score some fans here.
So, what does atari mean when they say Dragonshard has a strong RPG element?
I think the big question is "What do they mean by RPG?" If they mean stat driven hero development then folks aren't going to warm to it. If they mean political negotiation dialogs, hero customization on top of stat advancement, and a solid story line that response to the players actions appropriately then you might actually score some fans here.
So, what does atari mean when they say Dragonshard has a strong RPG element?
Re: Wow!
I'm not offended, just kind of annoyed, really. If you want to make contact, my email is on the front page. That's how most PR people would have handled it, and I would have said that we don't cover that kind of thing but we're interested in NWN2 and BG3. We would have gotten off on the right foot that way.
Really? There's PR people who don't say we're off the wall crackpots? I've failed at my job! :D
Bring on the NWN2 and BG2 stuff. That's what we're about, really.. Sort of..
Actually, I didn't like BG or NWN, but hey, it's on topic stuff. I'd rather have discussions on topic than anything else.
Don't forget that we're downright cool compared to fantasy gamers.
atari_dm said:
I'm not offended, just kind of annoyed, really. If you want to make contact, my email is on the front page. That's how most PR people would have handled it, and I would have said that we don't cover that kind of thing but we're interested in NWN2 and BG3. We would have gotten off on the right foot that way.
Really? There's PR people who don't say we're off the wall crackpots? I've failed at my job! :D
Bring on the NWN2 and BG2 stuff. That's what we're about, really.. Sort of..
Actually, I didn't like BG or NWN, but hey, it's on topic stuff. I'd rather have discussions on topic than anything else.
StraitLacedDeviant said:
Don't forget that we're downright cool compared to fantasy gamers.
Seven
Erudite
Ha, some one fooled you. This little community of ours is a loose affliation of grumpy old men who love to yell at things; that being said, we do oocasionally have something in-tell-a-ma-gent to say.
Sol Invictus
Erudite
Slight correction about the Dragonshard game: It does not take place in the cliched setting of Forgotten Realms but rather in the new setting that WOTC is pushing out.
Anyway, yeah - I've got some slight interest in the game, mainly because Ed Del Castillo (the guy who made the C&C games) is working on it. It's got to be a whole lot better than his Warcraft 3-ripoff "War of the Ring", though. Battle Realms was cool and original, and had some pretty good things going for it even if the graphics were ugly.
My main problem is with the units being too freaking big. Tone them down a little, and raise the zoom. Gotta give a perspective of a battlefield, not a skirmish.
Anyway, from what I've seen of Ed Del Castillo/Liquid Entertainment's work, they're pretty good when it comes to story telling. If WOTR had anything going for it, it was the campaign. I didn't much like any other part of the game, though. It just felt too much like Warcraft 3 without the sophistication.
They've got some pretty good ideas going into Dragonshard, like the 'living base' thing. Unit designs are based on how you place your buildings to each other or something like that. Kind of like that Unit Alchemy thing they had in Battle Realms, except a lot more thought out.
I'd have to wonder how it compares with WH40K:Dawn of War, which besides Rome: Total War, looks like one of the most sophisticated RTS's to date. The whole aspect of equipping your team with special heavy weapons, unit attachments from support units (e.g. a medic accompanying some marines to provide healing bonuses), squad leaders with special abilities (not including units like the Librarian or Force Commander, which can also attach) makes it pretty tough competition to beat. From what I've read about Dragonshard, they're including a similar design to DoW, so we'll see how that turns out.
Saint's right though. It's an RTS - We don't cover them even though some of us really, really like them. Give us the scoop on BG3/NWN2/any other real RPG and we'll be happy campers.
Anyway, yeah - I've got some slight interest in the game, mainly because Ed Del Castillo (the guy who made the C&C games) is working on it. It's got to be a whole lot better than his Warcraft 3-ripoff "War of the Ring", though. Battle Realms was cool and original, and had some pretty good things going for it even if the graphics were ugly.
My main problem is with the units being too freaking big. Tone them down a little, and raise the zoom. Gotta give a perspective of a battlefield, not a skirmish.
Anyway, from what I've seen of Ed Del Castillo/Liquid Entertainment's work, they're pretty good when it comes to story telling. If WOTR had anything going for it, it was the campaign. I didn't much like any other part of the game, though. It just felt too much like Warcraft 3 without the sophistication.
They've got some pretty good ideas going into Dragonshard, like the 'living base' thing. Unit designs are based on how you place your buildings to each other or something like that. Kind of like that Unit Alchemy thing they had in Battle Realms, except a lot more thought out.
I'd have to wonder how it compares with WH40K:Dawn of War, which besides Rome: Total War, looks like one of the most sophisticated RTS's to date. The whole aspect of equipping your team with special heavy weapons, unit attachments from support units (e.g. a medic accompanying some marines to provide healing bonuses), squad leaders with special abilities (not including units like the Librarian or Force Commander, which can also attach) makes it pretty tough competition to beat. From what I've read about Dragonshard, they're including a similar design to DoW, so we'll see how that turns out.
Saint's right though. It's an RTS - We don't cover them even though some of us really, really like them. Give us the scoop on BG3/NWN2/any other real RPG and we'll be happy campers.
Diogo Ribeiro
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Exitium said:
Eberron?
Whipporowill
Erudite
Role-Player said:
Yes. Apparently Rex didn't bother to read much of the thread, as we already came to that conlusion... some pages back. Ehum.
Sol Invictus
Erudite
I canat be arsed ta remember dees thengz.
Seven
Erudite
Doing a little grave digging?
Ortchel
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Hmm, whats wrong with fantasy gamers, Saint?
Anyway, I just hope it turns out as well as the last D&D crossover, 'Iron & Blood'!
http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=4420
/snicker
Anyway, I just hope it turns out as well as the last D&D crossover, 'Iron & Blood'!
http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=4420
/snicker
Seven
Erudite
Well since we're on the subject of retractions and changing opinions I might as well post/publically admit that I was wrong about TOEE, and it was not the RPG that I had credited it for post release. And yes, this means that you were right (to a certain degree).
Anonymous
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You both suck.
Ortchel said:
Well, they're just really pathetic from what I've seen. They're all about rules and guidelines for posting non-offensive bullshit which usually opens the door for some of the faggiest stuff on the internet. In my opinion, if some guy posts some poetry about his feelings and how depressed he is somewhere, then by damned, someone should tell him to stop being such a fucking ninny and go watch some sports with some guys. That's just my opinion on the matter, though.
Diogo Ribeiro
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Don't forget to down some beers, too.
Fez
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I think Saint is on to something there. At the very least we'd see less goth morons writing poems about how they cut themselves with saftey pins because their parents won't let them watch TV at night. I'd just suggest to them to use a kitchen knife and get the job done properly though.
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