Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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CKII is released.

Discussion in 'Strategy Gaming' started by Trash, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Father Walker Potato Ranger

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    War goals need to be fixed imo. I often find myself starting wars against the same person one by one, since I can't have a single war with multiple objectives.

    This ambition system is cool. Too bad that most ambitions and plots are kinda meh. Plots to kill other folks make no sense often. Why do I have option to plot against my wife, but no options to plot against bros who are actually dangerous to me?

    Battles are oddly similar to EU3, i.e. lots of chasing enemy units around the map.

    Events seem to have the problem I've seen in earlier Paradox games, i.e. they have one obvious choice. I find myself choosing same options over and over, since others are pretty meh.
     
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    The war goals need to be of the same type. If you have multiple claims on the same person, then there should be a "Press all claims" option to select.
     
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  3. Luzur Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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    yeah, you should be able to choose which one to plot-kill from a list.

    also more work on the war goal is kinda needed, like alliances, selling/buying provinces.
     
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    The historical reason for why France didn't expand into Iberia is the Pyrenees. Paradox games have never really tried to simulate the effect geography has on government, and instead we get various hackjob solutions to try and enforce "historical" behavior when the real historical incentives are missing from the game.
     
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    The historical reason why France didnt expand at ALL during that time was because the French king couldnt order his vassals to do anything for him and his authority expanded not even over the whole Ille de France (however its spelled). We need better kingdom authority system with actual conditions that need to be met and penalties for kings power.

    Minimal authority? You shouldnt be able to raise levies unless allied or invaded, no taxes. Each step up should be hard, require long reign, high stats and support from vassals. And often a won civil war. Right now you click and you get what you want.

    Overall it needs balancing.
     
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    Because BROBERT would come and kill you.
     
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    Doing a King of Sweden game... I noticed two countesses with each other as heirs and no children/husbands... Had to send some guys in with knives to take care of business and take those counties for myself. I've exerted my claim on Norway while they were busy in England and had a rebellion going on, and have taken some of the pagan provinces to the North while getting a nice ally in the HRE (although the HRE is severely overpowered... that needs to be fixed). Also, I agree on the assassination front. It's just too easy to do (although I personally have never felt victim to an attempt, it is only 1090). I'll actually have some time to play this weekend, at which time I'll also be going to see Macbeth, so that should get me in the mood for some knives in the dark. Also, yeah... fuck having too many sons. Just gives headaches for the next ruler and penalties for when you don't give them lands.
     
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    vicky 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ck2
     
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    That's a motherfucking lie.
     
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    Vicky 2 was boring as fuck for me, CK2 is boatloads of fun.
     
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    So about this game series...

    It seems to me the main difference, or appeal of this over Total War is that this very much focuses on internal politics and power struggles whereas Total War is very "external," dealing more with conflicts between nations and the like. I think that's cool and it's something I'd always wished Total War games would focus on more. But I'm still not sure about this real time thing. Seems to me that that always by its nature lessens the amount of options you can have. Also, is it just one continuous grand campaign? I've played other RTS's, but the key there is that they are always split up into smaller more digestible missions. So how exactly does this shit work? And how long does a campaign last? Are we talking Total War length here?

    Sell me on this shit bros. I'm willing to give this series a chance, but I need more motivation. Tell me why it's the best thing ever.
     
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    Read my LP.

    http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...usader-kings-2-i-want-to-be-a-basileus.69371/

    It might give you a better idea of what it is, then anything anyone can tell you.
     
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    You're way too stuck on the real-time aspect. It's real time, but it's not an rts.
     
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    DOA map for EUIII has impassable mountain ranges, feels much better actually.
     
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    CK2 also has impassable mountains in places, though not the Pyrenees. But that's not really the problem, armies did cross the Pyrenees from time to time, it's the difficulty of exerting any permanent control on the other side of a mountain range I'd like to see included in the game.
     
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    I still say it's better to keep your sons at home (hell, all close family at home) than give them shit. Bastards will backstab you at the drop of a hat.
     
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    Just download the demo and there you go.
     
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    you simply don't have the level of assburgers neccessary to understand why vicky 2 is the more sound game.
     
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    Hey, I love Vicky2, but come on man. Come on. Seriously. Come on.
     
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    no.
     
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  23. oscar Tacticular Staff

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    :lol:

    When nothing is happening you just let the game run in real time (the smallest point of time being a day, what on the slowest setting takes about 5 seconds to pass and on the fastest passes in a single second). When something important happens and you have to make a decision (your king contemplates banging the cute maid, two armies meet and a battle begins etc) the game pauses and you choose what you do (i.e pick "fuck the maid" and you loose piety and a bastard pops up or in the case of the battle beginning you decide what other armies you wish to shuffle into the fray, whether to retreat or decide your men have got this and watch the battle unfurl).

    When it's peacetime and your just chilling collecting taxes and waiting for your new port to build you probably run the game on a pretty high speed but when it's war or you've uncovered a plot to assassinate the King of France you'll probably slow it down and pause more frequently. This concept is probably familiar too you if you've ever played a Infinity Engine game. If your just trashing some rats in the basement, you won't need to be managing things very carefully and can just watch your fighter and paladin whack away. If your fighting the Arch-Necromancer of the Crypt of Doom your probably going to be juggling around health potions and deciding whether your wizard should be casting Cone of Cold or Summon Monster IV.

    I was going to just call you a tard trying to turn this into a GRPG "what is the true nature of turn-based" aspie fest, but it occurred to me you might be the 0.1% of strategy gamers on the 'Dex who hasn't played a Paradox game.

    tl;dr the system works and I've never heard of someone having a problem with it or even difficulty comprehending it
     
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    They should really allow you to create your own empire when you have more than one Kingdom. Expansion idea? :smug:
     
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