felipepepe
Codex's Heretic
There's no pleasing this people, they should just give up. People don't even know what's this all about, and some are already calling it apartheid and "PAX's Auschwitz".
He's not exxagerating: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=736018There's no pleasing this people, they should just give up. People don't even know what's this all about, and some are already calling it apartheid and "PAX's Auschwitz".
As someone who is both transgender and a sexual assault victim,
Penny Arcade can well and truly go to Hell. Their actions repeatedly have shown that they are not interested in true repentance for their issues, but rather just covering their own ass. Gabe is a mad dog who should be leashed at all times, and Tycho is the moron owner who refuses to put his dog on the leash.
You know, after the transgender incident, I had hope for them. I truly did. Then, the last PAX incident happened and it showed just how callous they are. They don’t care that actions have consequences, and that words can hurt and propagate bad and harmful ideas until their actions and words bite them on their asses. Fuck ‘em.
Sweet, ghettos for those who dare question the dickwolves.
is there a white, cis gendered male lounge?
Yes, it's called the Hall of Privilege.
It's amazing how toxic the mere concept of discussing such topics is around here. Try to organize something where an actual discussion can be held, and you're a biggot. Foster panels that allow educated people to discuss very real problems with race or sexuality in society, and you're a biggot. Actively ignore all of these things, and you're a biggot.
Neogaf hears about "Diversity Lounges". Freaks out on the name only without actually reading the details. Grandjedi6 realizes that no one here knows how networking works. /repeat-cycle
Oh, you know, they read the details and thought it was still pretty bad.
I did not get that sense from the following replies to the topic: [...] Just people with an axe to grind and no time to read.
what if some of them read, and still came to that conclusion nonetheless?
Then their comprehension, their ability to express a thoughtful conclusion, or both are impaired.
assuming your goal was to be insulting & dead-end a discussion: mission accomplished
Explain to me the goal of a post that says "Wow Penny Arcade is full of disgusting morons."
I'd be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he say, actually wrote an adult apology for his intolerance and bigotry.
What's the worst that could happen if you reached out to him and asked him? Have you?
Why should I have to coddle a public figure into recanting his public stupidity? Is he actually a child who needs to be prodded into saying sorry? Why is it singularly my responsibility?
Because you're complaining about it. You want someone else to complain for you?
Yeah because me not writing to Transphobe Mike of Penny Arcade totally dismisses everything I had to say. Puh-lease.
So...you do want someone else to complain for you?
So you are attempting to dismiss my dislike of an actual transphobic person because I haven't written to him? This cyclical gotcha shit is really going places.
I think the point is that if you want an apology, perhaps you should ask for it.
It isn't being singled out? There's a separate room for diversity. That's the definition of being singled out.
So indie games are unwelcome at PAX? Because they're "singled out" as well.
I can't believe you're comparing indie games to systemic racism in America (and the world at large).
I can't believe that you're comparing convention organization to Nazi Germany.
Good that will mean that crazy PC issues will all be located in one central area and therefore can be safely ignored there.
Then maybe games can actually take place outside instead of overblown social issues.
So that's great. Attendees are aware and informed. Tolerance is enforced. So I guess the issue I have is with their wording: "safe space".
Yes good. Tolerance is enforced! Those that aren't tolerant get sent to camps.
@cwgabriel
heads up if you use the word "cis" save yourself some time and don't bother tweeting at me.
So that's great. Attendees are aware and informed. Tolerance is enforced. So I guess the issue I have is with their wording: "safe space".
The concept of safe spaces (or safe-spaces, if you're down with the hyphen) conceptually arose out of feminist and LGBT movements.
This is, like, a reference implementation of a pro-feminist and pro-LGBT idea that originated with the women's movement and was widely adopted by pro-gay rights advocates. That it's being reacted to as somehow discriminatory is utterly bizarre. That it's being compared to Jim Crow-era America and the Holocaust is... actually not that surprising, seeing as how we are on the internet and all.
This thread is something else.
Awesome shit. I love how people don't understand that they are criticizing a site which is all about offensive humour for being "callous".As someone who is both transgender and a sexual assault victim,
Penny Arcade can well and truly go to Hell. Their actions repeatedly have shown that they are not interested in true repentance for their issues, but rather just covering their own ass. Gabe is a mad dog who should be leashed at all times, and Tycho is the moron owner who refuses to put his dog on the leash.
You know, after the transgender incident, I had hope for them. I truly did. Then, the last PAX incident happened and it showed just how callous they are. They don’t care that actions have consequences, and that words can hurt and propagate bad and harmful ideas until their actions and words bite them on their asses. Fuck ‘em.
They'll never learn...
The only winning move is not to play.
So that's great. Attendees are aware and informed. Tolerance is enforced. So I guess the issue I have is with their wording: "safe space".
The concept of safe spaces (or safe-spaces, if you're down with the hyphen) conceptually arose out of feminist and LGBT movements.
This is, like, a reference implementation of a pro-feminist and pro-LGBT idea that originated with the women's movement and was widely adopted by pro-gay rights advocates. That it's being reacted to as somehow discriminatory is utterly bizarre. That it's being compared to Jim Crow-era America and the Holocaust is... actually not that surprising, seeing as how we are on the internet and all.
This thread is something else.
$10 says this idea gets scrapped by end of business tomorrow and you-know-who going "well, what the fuck do you want".
Bingo. Then at some point during PAX, somebody writes up a blog post complaining about a lack of awareness for diversity issues.
Clockwork Knight Is this par for the course for NeoGAF? I've heard of it, but am not terribly familiar.
Well, yeah, that's the difference between a normal person with a healthy interest in social justice - or even an actual activist - and being a full-caps Social Justice Warrior. The latter don't want solutions or healthy dialogues, they're just more shrill internet assholes venting all their frustrations because they'll never get to do it in real life, bullies by another name.That's the theory I have: those guys are not actual SJWs, they just want to show how TOLERANT they are, acting as "offended" as possible.
"why would anything nice ever happen?"This is incredible.
Why can't this SJW fad PLEASE end already.
The main problem, is the people who need to learn about diversity the most, aren't going to visit this "diversity lounge", hell they can simply actively avoid it.Those ignorant people need that shit force-fed to them. I can see the good intentions here, but this won't help the problem. It's a band-aid, when what we're dealing with is more akin to a cancer.
Ding ding ding. If the suspect motives and insulting aspects of the idea weren't enough, there's also these!
The difference is that when people on college campuses create safe spaces, it's because the college itself is not a safe space. The PA guys are in total control of the convention, so they could make the whole convention a safe space if they wanted to. The only reasons its not seen as a safe space is because of them.
No they're not. What are they going to do, hire ten times as many people to make sure the enormous crowd of people doesn't step out of line?
They are the ones who stepped out of line.
Nobody is ever happy, it feels like the only way to satisfy the mob is to hang the guys from PA.
Yeah because I haven't said that Mike actually making an adult apology for being a transphobe would actually be the best place to start rather than this tone-deaf and suspect 'diversity zone' stuff. But please, go on sympathizing with the rich, white hetero nerd who buys a Mercedes with PAX badge fees.
The main problem, is the people who need to learn about diversity the most, aren't going to visit this "diversity lounge", hell they can simply actively avoid it. Those ignorant people need that shit force-fed to them.
PAX is a video game convention, not your parents.
If their parents aren't good enough to educate them, someone has to.
The biggest question is, why isn't Roguey ejaculating all over this thread yet?
What a fucking LOSER.If you don't know Bboy360 here are his stats:
- 100k Xbox Cheevos(gamerscore) / 55k MySpace friends (record holder)
- 80k YouTube views
- Rated 9.5 on Hot or Not
- Member of the True Achievements Hall of fame and #63 in Kinect Cheevos