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KickStarter BATTLETECH, turn-based mech combat from Harebrained Schemes - now in BETA

Discussion in 'Strategy Gaming' started by Infinitron, May 24, 2015.

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    People still butthurt about Urbies headshotting their Atlas. HBS responds:

     
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  2. Make America Great Again Zorba the Huttgender: ⚧ Arcane Weasel

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    One more mech:

     
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    More on morale changes

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    Fucking again!? I thought that shit was settled ages ago!
     
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    Look back a few pages. HG looking for another payout it seems.

    Anyway, watched the video as thought it worth seeing what an actual copyright lawyer thought of it. First 10 minutes is mainly him reading out the details of the claim, then he goes through the comparison of the mechs, last 5 or so mins is when he actually gives a few opinions and insights into the process. Hedges his bets, sounds sceptical of the burden of proof for the "infringements", the one takeaway from this video is his opinion that this probably wasn't designed to go to trial, just in search of another settlement. Which is what most have thought from the beginning, and it seems PGI has a fund set aside for just this sort of action and want to settle things once and for all, without this happening every time they release another title.
     
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    https://www.pcgamesn.com/battletech/battletech-evasion-change

     
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    Good on them. Hope HBS got a nice $ reserve to keep developing the game and settling those copyright claims. Want a new Shadowrun, dammit.
     
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    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/1964822

     
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    This [REDACTED] issue they were having on PvP chat was suitably prosperous, people were having their comments like "tis but a scratch" replaced with [REDACTED], so their opponents would assume they were being abused and get butthurt :cool:

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    So there's another wrinkle involving HG, tangentially related to BT, this time with a legal action against Tatsunoko (the company they originally licensed the non-Japan rights to Macross from in the 80s, although it has apparently since been established in court in Japan that Tatsunoko didn't actually have these rights to license in the first place)
    https://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-23006746.htm

    So Leonard French did another video covering this latest action:


    Summary - although he says this has "nothing to do with Battletech" in terms of this specific action, it is interesting that HG has only a few years left in terms of the original Macross deal.

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    What a complete legal fuck up.
    This could go back and forth for years across different regions and cost a fortune.

    I don't understand why FASA even felt the need to licence designs or artwork from the japs originally when Battletech was originally written.
    It's the rule system what makes the game work.
    Who really gives a shit what the robots exactly look like or what names they have.
    They certainly didn't need to be licensed from some obscure japanese cartoon.
    Dumbest decision ever.

    Marvel didn't link Transformers to Macross in any way and got the lawsuit filed by Harmony Gold dismissed.
    Good luck trying to patent a "generic bi pedal robot", "walking robot" or other similar type phrases.
    Fair play to Harmony Gold for managing to bilk the japs out of all worldwide rights. Masterful trolling. Not a million miles away from domain squatting.

    :excellent:

    Hope they don't manage to get a cut out of the sales from Battletech.
    And do Microsoft fit in? I thought they owned certain electronic rights to MechWarrior and/or Battletech? Topps?
    No wonder nobody has wanted to touch this hot potato for years. Harebrained Schemes indeed.

    As for the game. Looks like it's been stuck in development hell. Kickstarter ended in Nov 2015.
    Backer Beta looks interesting but far from finished. Mid 2018 at the earliest.
    On the plus side it raised far more money than originally asked for.
    Was looking forward to this too - really liked Mechcommander

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    Two and a half years of development isn't development hell, it's completely normal. Perhaps you're comparing BattleTech to Harebrained's previous games, which were developed unusually quickly. This one is much more complex.
     
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    Hey, somebody clear up something for me-
    Didn't Harebrained get some dude to basically redesign all the "Unseen" mechs?

    What are HG even trying to say? That they didn't redesign them differently enough?
     
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    Yep, and (in most people's opinion) angling for a settlement as they have done in the past, but PGI have apparently set aside funds to fight it and get the future of the franchise clarified. The HBS link seems the most tenuous and the image comparisons are a bit laughable, but this may be related to trying to drag JW in as he was a signatory to the settlement the last time this happened. The last few pages of this thread have all the details and links.
     
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    Ended up putting that French video on while I was doing something else, long and convoluted but a couple of interesting moments:

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    17 - 2003 Amendment to rights deal between Tatsunoko and HG included the following phrase (obviously related to the legal action in Japan involving Tatsunoko, Big West and Studio Nue) "grants to licensee (HG) whatever rights licensor has (if any)". French referred to that as resembling a "quick claim deed", like one would use in a property sale where one wasn't sure what exactly one owned or who else had a claim on it.
    22 - Mention of live action movie rights, seems there was a 2007 movie possibly in the works, now again in 2016
    25 - History of agreement between HG and Tatsunoko going back to 1984
    27 - Japanese legal action, in 1998 Big West (produced Macross along with Studio Nue and Tatsunoko) sued Tatsunoko, saying they alone owned the rights to produce sequels to Macross, court ruled in Tatsunoko's favour in 2003 (confirmed on appeal in 2005) BUT said Big West owned rights to 41 original characters/drawings in Macross
    40 - Dispute over trademark registrations made in HG's name
    49 - HG Rights expire March 14, 2021
    57 - Awards costs of the action to HG, $848k
     
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    must... resist... lame cargo-related jokes...

     
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    PvP currently reliant on HBS servers (some were wondering about P2P etc)

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    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/1975495

     
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    Huh, the video is suddenly much more watchable when Beardy McCigar isn't blabbering in it.
     
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