Grunker said:
I am not sure I understand your reasoning Goral. Wouldn't a similar example be Neverwinter Nights 2 and Mask of the Betrayer? At least in my mind, MotB brought huge improvements over the base game (which I did not care for much).
MotB is an exception to the rule, I don't know any other game where original campaign is shitty but the expansion is great. As for White March, can it be played by skipping original PoE campaign? If not my questions shouldn't be strange.
But there are exceptions, and I would argue that the White March gets pretty close (although Motb is a fucking masterpiece). You cannot skip straight to the White March, but I think it becomes available around level four or five (someone corect me if I wrong). That should put one past the starting village and initially clearing Caed Nue I think (about an hour or so in?).
Dragonfall isn't that great, it's an overrated tablet game with ZERO replayability. You can see everything in one playthrough (with one or two reloads to certain moments), it's very linear, there is no interaction plus the fights aren't that good. It's not bad for a single playthrough but that's it. Fallout Tactics is more "RPG-ish" and more replayable than this thing and that says something. And if you play SR first the difference between it and SD isn't that great.
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For the record, I do prefer BG2's itemization - but that's primarily because of the sheer quantity of items and various effects they have.
But people here seem toforgetignore that BG2 also had its share of broken items:
Mace of Disruption (can instantly kill undead), Blackrazor, Crom Faeyr, etc. And that's without going into all the ridiculously OP stuff from ToB.
And that's really the crux of the argument - in any other topic, the IE games can be criticized fairly, and with good reason, but whenever PoE is thrown into the mix, people deliberately ignore all of IE's shortcomings just so they can bash PoE.
There's plenty about PoE you can rightfully criticize, you don't have to go into bullshit mode to make a valid point.
I have not played Hordes of the Underdark in years, but similar to MotB, I remember it being considered a step up from the base game in terms of story, characters, and combat. You meet Drow that are not completely autistic for once, and the encounters were nice (for NN that is...).
For the record, I do prefer BG2's itemization - but that's primarily because of the sheer quantity of items and various effects they have.
But people here seem toforgetignore that BG2 also had its share of broken items:
Mace of Disruption (can instantly kill undead), Blackrazor, Crom Faeyr, etc. And that's without going into all the ridiculously OP stuff from ToB.
And that's really the crux of the argument - in any other topic, the IE games can be criticized fairly, and with good reason, but whenever PoE is thrown into the mix, people deliberately ignore all of IE's shortcomings just so they can bash PoE.
There's plenty about PoE you can rightfully criticize, you don't have to go into bullshit mode to make a valid point.
My favorite thing about the Mace of Disruption and Crom Faeyr are that you can give them Anomen, and he is a fucking asshole.
For the record, I do prefer BG2's itemization - but that's primarily because of the sheer quantity of items and various effects they have.
But people here seem toforgetignore that BG2 also had its share of broken items:
Mace of Disruption (can instantly kill undead), Blackrazor, Crom Faeyr, etc. And that's without going into all the ridiculously OP stuff from ToB.
And that's really the crux of the argument - in any other topic, the IE games can be criticized fairly, and with good reason, but whenever PoE is thrown into the mix, people deliberately ignore all of IE's shortcomings just so they can bash PoE.
There's plenty about PoE you can rightfully criticize, you don't have to go into bullshit mode to make a valid point.
My favorite thing about the Mace of Disruption and Crom Faeyr are that you can give them Anomen, and he is a fucking asshole.
Also, MoD and Daystar were absolute ass-pulping machines against undead. Those two weapons made having undead in the game practically pointless.
