Why do these prominent Obsidian devs love Bethesda's garbage?

[Jools]

Because in the games industry you have to commit to sucking each others dick and bending over at every opportunity unless you want publishers to stop talking to you.

Sounds just like academia and the politics sphere.

Or pretty much any other fairly "closed", self-entitled ( ), elitist clique, really.

 

[badler]

Because in the games industry you have to commit to sucking each others dick and bending over at every opportunity unless you want publishers to stop talking to you.

It's not that simple. Lots of "bad" games have elements that worth experiencing and understanding. Even if that is just so you don't make the same mistakes you think they are making.

Sometimes a developer puts in tons of time into a game because they love it. Sometimes it is just for research purposes. Sometimes it's a mixture of both.

 

[Infinitron]

Hey, badler! How's Eric doing?

 

[badler]

Hey, badler! How's Eric doing?

Good. I wasn't sure, but did you guys send your questions his way?

 

[Infinitron]

Good. I wasn't sure, but did you guys send your questions his way?

Crooked Bee did, I think.

 

[Sannom]

Crooked Bee did, I think.

So, there is, what, an Eric Fenstermaker interview by the Codex in the work?

 

[Hugh Vagoth]

Because in the games industry you have to commit to sucking each others dick and bending over at every opportunity unless you want publishers to stop talking to you.

It's not that simple. Lots of "bad" games have elements that worth experiencing and understanding. Even if that is just so you don't make the same mistakes you think they are making.

Sometimes a developer puts in tons of time into a game because they love it. Sometimes it is just for research purposes. Sometimes it's a mixture of both.

Is this Obsidians way of admitting that FO4 sucks ass and that you would gladly make a proper Fallout game with good RPG mechanics, good writing, C&C and turn based combat?

 

[Roguey]

I imagine most people at Obsidian think Fallout 4 is a good game. Grognards, they are not.

 

[badler]

Because in the games industry you have to commit to sucking each others dick and bending over at every opportunity unless you want publishers to stop talking to you.

It's not that simple. Lots of "bad" games have elements that worth experiencing and understanding. Even if that is just so you don't make the same mistakes you think they are making.

Sometimes a developer puts in tons of time into a game because they love it. Sometimes it is just for research purposes. Sometimes it's a mixture of both.

Is this Obsidians way of admitting that FO4 sucks ass and that you would gladly make a proper Fallout game with good RPG mechanics, good writing, C&C and turn based combat?

Speaking more to my point, I think that there is an assumption that because a developer plays a game (even for long stretches) that they love/condone everything about it. What I am saying is that I think it would be pretty irresponsible for a game developer (particularly designers, programmers, and producers) to refuse to play a popular game in a genre in which they are making games.

That being said, I am a hypocrite because there are a few pretty popular games that I have only put a few hours into because they can't keep my attention.

 

[Neanderthal]

Theres usually one or two good features even in latest popamole trash, that Dead Space 3 for instance, co-op had one player seeing shit that weren't appearing on screen o other one, right mindfuck and someat that I reckon could really fit in a group RPG. Imagine you take control o another character than protag, and screen changes, all kinda shit appears and does weird shit that no other character is seeing, be really good for a fucking psycho character or someone who sees a bit too much like Grieving Mother in Poe say.

I think even in most vanilla, dull games theres devs who have a creative vision and want to do some incline stuff, but earning their corn and looking after leeches is obviously higher on priority, as I suppose it should be.

 

[Roguey]

I think it would be pretty irresponsible for a game developer (particularly designers, programmers, and producers) to refuse to play a popular game in a genre in which they are making games.

Funny you should say that, considering Pillars could have benefited quite a bit had Josh Sawyer bothered to try out the Dragon Age games (even 2, with its attempt at ~class balance~ and enemies lacking immunities).

 

[Irenaeus III]

Since when bethesda garbage is in the genre of any Obsidian game? Maybe Fallout New Vegas, but still.

 

[Roguey]

Since when bethesda garbage is in the genre of any Obsidian game? Maybe Fallout New Vegas, but still.

Feargus Urquhart's episodic Skyrim.

Also a generally good idea to see how other people handle character building/customization.

 

[Irenaeus III]

Fair point.

 

[Roguey]

Josh Sawyer now has over 100 hours sunk into Fallout 4, beating his Skyrim record. If Bethesda releases a goty version with everything on the discs (the current one only has 5 gb, you have to download the other 20 ), maybe I ought to check it out myself.

Meanwhile, Tim hasn't bothered revisiting it. He does have over 90 hours of Underrail logged yeeeeeeeeeeeet virtually no achievements (he killed one robot and opened three locks). Like he just left it running in the background.

 

[Mexi]

I'm laughing at the comment exposing all those "highly regarded" Codex members playing and buying Fallout: 4. Decline this and shit game that, but they're still out there buying it on day 1.

So the Codex is not just full of neckbeards and fat-backs, it's also full of hypocrites?

 

[Excidium II]

Ugly woman still has pussy

 

[Beastro]

A lot of people in this thread acting like snobby fine food connoisseurs shocked to learn they all enjoy a bit of fast food here and there.

 

[LizardWizard]

A lot of people in this thread acting like snobby fine food connoisseurs shocked to learn they all enjoy a bit of fast food here and there.

There's fast food and then there is unredeemable diarrhea like McDonalds/TacoBell. Big difference.

 

[Irenaeus III]

Never played Fall Out 4. Or 3

 

[GameGear]

A lot of people in this thread acting like snobby fine food connoisseurs shocked to learn they all enjoy a bit of fast food here and there.

Food analogies about video games are worse than Hitler.

 

[Yuri Gagarin]

Never played Fall Out 4. Or 3

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

I have no shame in admitting I played FO3. Those of you who played FO3 AND THEN played FO4 should feel deeply, deeply ashamed though.

 

[Aoyagi]

Because some people also enjoy genres other than RPGs.

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

Sure. I happen to be one of them. In particular I enjoy a good Adventure game, FPS, or TBS.
My chief problems with FO3 had very little to do with its genre, but we're a result of outright bad writing, bland level, world, and art design, and some of the worst gunplay I've ever encountered in a game.

I think FO3 was an impressively bad game, but implying I would only make that claim because I only enjoy hardcore RPGs (admittedly my favorite genre) is absurd.