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Last week there was this episode where some guy takes his pen-laser and shines it at the sky and it *gasp* manages to blind a pilot, causing the plane to crash.
Oh yeah, if that isn't fucking bullshit, how about the part where the copilot essentially does nothing. Isn't that what copilots are for? To take control of the plane?
Fuck that. The only reason I still watch CSI: Miami is because the plots are fucking illogical. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think it really puts the CSI name to shame. CSI has gotten a ton of stuff wrong over the years, but nothing they've done, put altogether, can match the ineptitude of a single CSI: Miami episode.
It's funny how every episode of CSI: Miami starts off with a vignette consisting of hot babes in very little clothing either lounging by a pool, dancing at a club or having sex, and the vignette ends with a fiery explosion, a violent shootout or some of Horatio's unbelievable heroics. I have a clear understanding of why William Peterson was pissed off when Bruckheimer decided to turn his beloved series into McDonalds. |
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I don't even watch CSI anymore, just for some of those reasons. I stick to Law & Order, both new and reruns on TNT, as well as NYPD BLUE.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Law & Order is pretty great, yeah. All the spinoffs are, too. They've got good storylines, intense plots, very good guest stars (Martin Short in the most recent episode of L&O: Special Victims Unit) and most of all, they're believable. I like the 'ripped from the headlines' style episodes and how they put their own spin on it, like the recent Law & Order episode of Ron Artest beating up the bespectacled fan. In that episode, he ends up going to that fan's home and killing him. Heh. They even got a guy who looked like the fan, and did a pretty realistic reenactment of the video. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I the one I haven't warmed up to yet is L&O criminal intent. I don't like it as much as the other two. I haven't seen the newest L&O yet tho.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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CSI is crap. I never made it past the halfway break the first few episodes, and stopped trying.
They're Crime Scene Investigators and they run around with guns and shields arresting people... wtf?!?
Plus the majority of the cast looks to be the retarded side of twenty something
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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In regular CSI, they don't carry shields, but they do use guns, but only for protection. They're not cops, they just work with them. This has been stated several times over the course of the show. When people accuse the CSIs in the original CSI of being cops, they usually offer a rebuttal, and they don't place anyone under arrest.
In the original CSI pilot, a junior CSI is murdered while because she didn't call for police back up to cover her while she worked the scene. The criminal came back, saw her there, and shot her.
The majority of the cast members in CSI are over 40 and in CSI: NY, 30 or so (Gary Sinise is over 40. Not sure about the woman, but she isn't in her 20s). Can't say the same for CSI: Miami, though - that's a 20-something show. And it sucks.
| Quote: | | You know, I the one I haven't warmed up to yet is L&O criminal intent. I don't like it as much as the other two. I haven't seen the newest L&O yet tho. |
L&O Criminal Intent is probably my favorite psychological drama. It's not so much about working the police case or trying a criminal in court so much as catching him and figuring out what makes him tick. That's what I really love about the show. Vincent D'Onofrio really fucks the criminals over. He's not an every day cop, either. He's REALLY INTELLIGENT!
He doesn't need to act like a pretentious jerkoff or threaten people to be as awesome as he is. Not like "Horatio Caine" on CSI:Miami. Oh man I am sick of that guy. |
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From what I remember there were three regular characters in CSI 40+ the Captain, the Manhunter guy, and Margo Helfenfurter. Then there were like 4 scooby gang Jr investigators running around.
I recall at least one shootout, and the CSI guys interrogating suspects.
In Law & Order Original Recipe they had a nice slam on CSI, one of the crime scene guys was making stupid observations and Lenny set him straight and quiped that he watched too much TV. |
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I quit watching CSI Miami this year, because that Horatio bullshit is completely out of hand. I can understand why his ass was off NYPD Blue after a year - it's obvious that every episode is designed to make women in the audience want to sleep with David C. (I can't spell). He's always driving through explosions in slow mo, rescuing babies, every freaking episode the ME says "gee I don't know what killed him", and Horatio says "Alex, look at this". Seriously, why is she working there if he has to do her work for her every week.
I enjoyed the one where the police are boarding a boat and a guy sneaks up on them with an RPG or LAW or something, and of course Horatio sees him and yells "get down" and saves everyone. Then the next scene, he tells someone to find out where that rocket was fired from - he's the one that saw the guy fire it. I can only guess Dave had them film the scene were he saved the day on the fly, and they were too lazy to adjust the script.
I've read that Miami is doing realy well this year , and the LV and NY will be changing towards this format as well - that's another 50 hours a year free for me.  |
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The goal of any spin off is not "more of the same", but to try to use the prestiege of the original to appeal to a new market. SVU tends to go for almost shock value with some of their episodes. CI definitely goes for the psychological approach. Though, it makes me laugh. Every episode is concluded by the lead detective figuring out the suspects mental weakness and exploiting to get a confession or whatever.
I watch a lot of crime dramas, though very little CSI of any variety lately. I haven't seen a single episode of CSI: New York, so I can't comment.
I will, however, say my favorite crime drama is Monk, though thats more a comedy. The crimes make absolutely no sense, so the show revolves around several quirky characters, and it works.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: CSI Miami is fucking moronic |
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| Exitium wrote: | Last week there was this episode where some guy takes his pen-laser and shines it at the sky and it *gasp* manages to blind a pilot, causing the plane to crash.
Oh yeah, if that isn't fucking bullshit, how about the part where the copilot essentially does nothing. Isn't that what copilots are for? To take control of the plane?
Fuck that. The only reason I still watch CSI: Miami is because the plots are fucking illogical. |
Unbelievably moronic. That is a whole new depth of shitty scripts. I had no idea they had got so bad.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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I love Monk. My mother met the writer from that show thru his ex-wife, and the guy is exactly like that. Show is hilarious.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the co-pilot was there to bang the stewardesses. Hasn't there been some stuff in the news about people trying to use lasers to blind pilots? |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but these instances are at take off or landing.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| HanoverF wrote: | From what I remember there were three regular characters in CSI 40+ the Captain, the Manhunter guy, and Margo Helfenfurter. Then there were like 4 scooby gang Jr investigators running around.
I recall at least one shootout, and the CSI guys interrogating suspects. |
Yeah, I'll never get past how odd that is. Federal profilers do that, but these guys aren't federal profilers. What are they doing interrogating suspects?
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In Law & Order Original Recipe they had a nice slam on CSI, one of the crime scene guys was making stupid observations and Lenny set him straight and quiped that he watched too much TV. |
It's not the only good show on TV to make a quip about CSI, either. NCIS, Mark Harmon's show, makes quips about CSI all the time. At least once every couple of episodes, really. It's a much more realistic program and they don't solve their murders by looking at camera footage and magically zooming up to look at the reflection in some person's eyes. CSI:NY did that once, and CSI: Miami countless times. That's fucking ridiculous. As ridiculous as old belief that the dead carried the reflections of their killers trapped in the last moments of their retina.
NCIS also made a quip about all those laser pointers they use in CSI to track bullets. That shit causes cancer and federal agencies have to get technology like that approved before they can actually use it, and those laser pointers were NOT approved because shining them close to your crotch extinguished and chance of having children. There's better and cheaper methods, e.g. tape and computer simulations. The regular CSI stopped using that technology, too, probably due to criticism, but CSI: Miami hasn't stopped.
NCIS is a pretty cool show, with likeable and different characters, a lot of comedy and it's a much better character drama and doesn't focus on the science.
I'll never get over the South Park quip of CSI, where the cop finds a hand of a victim and does 'research' and some techno music plays while you watch a montage of him doing the research for a minute and he forgets what he's doing. 
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Yeah, the plane was landing in that instance, but it's still fucking moronic. You know why? Even if the pilot got blinded the co-pilot would have been able to handle the situation. The pilot would say "oh shit, im blind" and the co-pilot would take over. In real airplanes that's what the copilots are for, and in larger planes there's always a guy behind them doing navigation. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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BTW, anyone see tonights latest South Park episode about hippies? Fucking classic.
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Nope.
I might chuck soon
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| I like the original CSI, but not the paper copy Miami version. The characters are just clones from the original. It's like all these so called format shows, they make copies of them. Before ppl called it plain plagiarism and not format. |
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| Greatatlantic wrote: | | CI definitely goes for the psychological approach. Though, it makes me laugh. Every episode is concluded by the lead detective figuring out the suspects mental weakness and exploiting to get a confession or whatever. |
That's why I think CI sucks. I mean, where's the payoff for watching the entire episode if you already know that the big bad brain is going to win? The way I see it, the original L&O got two major things going for it, and that's the dual focus and the fact that the criminal isn't always convicted. And CI removes both of these things. 
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| CI is about the process of fucking the criminal over. With his mind. It's great. |
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| I can't watch Criminatl intent because all I can hear is "Full Metal Jacket" whenever I look at Private Piles face. Also he is such a smug fuck in that series I end up rooting for the criminal. |
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| Holy shit. I never realized who he was. It's Gomer Pyle! |
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You didn't know R. Lee Ermey wanted to gouge out his eyeballs and skullfuck him?! You know, for me, the beauty of the other two l&o series is that it is a team effort to win. This guy in CI does it all on his own. It was cool to watch this guy work his magic the first few times, then it got boring for me cause he ALWAYS wins. L&O original had me on the edge of my seat sometimes waiting for a verdict, just because it could go either way. This, for me, is kinda boring.
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The possibility of them losing or winning at any point does keep it more interesting to me. It can still be a good story even if you know they will always win, but it won't keep you guessing to the end like a good dose of uncertainty will.
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