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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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CA lost me with Empire (and shortly after they nailed the coffin shut with Napoleon). Except for Shogun, they haven't even released a high quality product, but rather a high quality modding platform. Mods couldn't fix Empire, so I'm done with those fagotrons.
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Yeah, they just keep adding ever more options while never enhancing the AI to compensate. As a result the primitive AI can't do anything at all. At least in Rome and M2TW the deficiencies were moddable to some extent, but since Empire CA have really fucked the community over my making the games barely moddable, so they can't even be fixed.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I have high hopes for this. I really think it will be CA's return to form.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexandros wrote: | | I have high hopes for this. I really think it will be CA's return to form. |
Don't come crying back here after it's released. Actually though CA tend to do better on smaller scale games where it's less obvious as to how retarded the AI is. I just hope they make it moddable more easily. If it's like Rome/M2 in that way then I'll be happy. Asking CA to make a really involving and difficult AI opponent is asking too much from them.
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Flying Spaghetti Monster
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexandros wrote: | | I have high hopes for this. I really think it will be CA's return to form. |
It will be rated 9+ out of ten, be a top seller when it's released, and it will be shit. I guarantee it. CA never had "form". They made one classic game, than a bunch of good toolsets that good games were made from. R:TW is bad without mods. M2:TW is horrible without mods. E:TW is horrible with no good mods to save it. I'm assuming Boney:TW is probably in the same boat. Shogun was the only one that was good out of the box. It must be nice having such retarded faith in developers, though.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| M:TW (the first one) was excellent out of the box. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought Rome was fine, what was so wrong with it? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexandros wrote: | | I thought Rome was fine, what was so wrong with it? |
3D Map and that the AI became even more retarded since it couldn't handle it.
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Rome was pretty shit out of the box. There was no balance (either Roman or there's no point), inexplicably splitting Rome into three factions, dumbing down diplomacy a lot from the previous titles (especially M:TW), the AI went to shit, etc. Mods made the game very good (EB and RTR), but if you play without those mods you're wasting your time.
And M:TW was good out of the box, fair enough. So we have two out of six games, none of which released within the last 7 years. Keep your hopes up people! CA and Obsidian are ready to release masterpieces!
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Meh, I liked the 3D map and I didn't mind the AI or historical inaccuracies. Diplomacy was bad though. Not the perfect game, but I found it quite enjoyable nonetheless.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| AI AI and AI. I hope that this time they hired more than one guy to do it... |
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They did, and I vaguely recall that Darthmod dude now being part of their team. Maybe that'll help, we'll see.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: | Rome was pretty shit out of the box. There was no balance (either Roman or there's no point), inexplicably splitting Rome into three factions, dumbing down diplomacy a lot from the previous titles (especially M:TW), the AI went to shit, etc. Mods made the game very good (EB and RTR), but if you play without those mods you're wasting your time.
And M:TW was good out of the box, fair enough. So we have two out of six games, none of which released within the last 7 years. Keep your hopes up people! CA and Obsidian are ready to release masterpieces! |
Medieval 2 can also be really awesome with the right mods.
This is why Empire is worse than the previous games: no mod tools available, so the modders can't do awesome shit with it.
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| JarlFrank wrote: | | Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: | Rome was pretty shit out of the box. There was no balance (either Roman or there's no point), inexplicably splitting Rome into three factions, dumbing down diplomacy a lot from the previous titles (especially M:TW), the AI went to shit, etc. Mods made the game very good (EB and RTR), but if you play without those mods you're wasting your time.
And M:TW was good out of the box, fair enough. So we have two out of six games, none of which released within the last 7 years. Keep your hopes up people! CA and Obsidian are ready to release masterpieces! |
Medieval 2 can also be really awesome with the right mods.
This is why Empire is worse than the previous games: no mod tools available, so the modders can't do awesome shit with it.
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The thing that pisses me off most about that is that CA kept saying for the first few months after release that modding tools were on the way. If you weren't going to include the tools, fine, but make that clear from the get go. I probably wouldn't have bought it at launch if I had known that no modding tools were on the way.
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Thing is, most likely they're just doing this to show how big a douche can they be.
The engine hasn't changed significantly since Rome, so all the text and xml files are prolly the same, human readable format. It's just they can't be arsed to release the unpacker for the game's files.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: Hell hath no fury like a scorned fanboy. |
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CA have made screwing over their customers and telling lies about their products into part of their core business plan. And yes, I'm talking about them constantly uttering flat out lies about their products and the service they will provide opposed to telling the usual rosey colered pr bull. They will never see another dime of my money.
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| L'ennui wrote: | | They did, and I vaguely recall that Darthmod dude now being part of their team. Maybe that'll help, we'll see. |
Really? I remember Darth was rejected by those arrogant CA pricks and abandoned further modding. Good to hear they accepted him in the end.
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| spectre wrote: | Thing is, most likely they're just doing this to show how big a douche can they be.
The engine hasn't changed significantly since Rome, so all the text and xml files are prolly the same, human readable format. It's just they can't be arsed to release the unpacker for the game's files. |
They want to keep selling DLC. Maybe they will release mod tools after they stop milking the games.
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DLC is probably the main reason. Why let people put mods in for free when you can charge five bucks for five useless units.
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