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 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:23 am Post subject: So, Hearts of Iron 3... |
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I heard a lot of bad things about this game, and didn't want to repeat the screwup by leaping in as I did with EU3...
However, since EU3 has, now that I got a 10 quid 'Complete' edition, and also bought the Heir to the Throne expansion for a song, become a wonderful game, perhaps HOI3 has also reached a similar level? Has it become a better game than its predecessors?
Or is more waiting in order/It is rubbish and I should just forget about it?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Just stay with HoI2 + expansions + mods.
Stay away from HoI3 and AoD - both are shit, simple as that. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ZbojLamignat wrote: | Just stay with HoI2 + expansions + mods.
Stay away from HoI3 and AoD - both are shit, simple as that. |
Quoted for stupidity.
AoD is Hoi2 but better.
Hoi3 and semper fi with the latest beta patch is really fun to play, but there are still things they need to fix in the game. Paradox is really famous for taking 3 expansions to get a game right, so if you are not too eager, keep waiting... |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| CarnivalBizarre wrote: |
Quoted for stupidity.
AoD is Hoi2 but better.
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Quoted for retardation.
Jesus fucking christ, did you even play AoD for more than a few hours? How is it better than patched and modded HoI2? It runs like shit, AI is suicidal, mods don't work, balance is fucked, divisions dissapear, fractions other than world powers are virtually unplayable, new features are either broken themselves or break the game, naval warfare is even more wrong than usual in paradox games. I could go on and on, but fuck this, I already posted my impressions here some time ago. |
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Malakal
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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HoI3 is way different from HoI2 just like Hoi2 was from HoI. New game mechanics are more realistic and seem fun (if they implement them properly at last, especially supply and naval warfare). Unfprtunately game is no YET there but definitely playable.
AI sucks as always though. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's fun. I prefer it to HoI2 now but it's still kinda laggy, and the mechanics are different, especially war and peace. When you belong to a faction and fight against another faction, peace is not an option, you have to fight until either you or they surrender. Playing as Germany and fighting the Allies, and I have to conquer *all* of the Allies before I can even annex Luxemburg...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Were any of the conquered territories integrated into the German economy in WW2? It seems that they were all very much an occupation for the duration of the war. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Czech part of Czechoslovakia certainly was but that was before the war started.
It really depends on what you mean by "integrated". Some territories were directly annexed and integrated into the Reich (western Poland, Alsace, Slovenia...) - of curse only Germany's allies recognized it. Most were not. Germany made at least SOME use of the industrial potential of Low Countries or polish Upper Silesia during the war.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Arsenal of Democracy is the best in the HOI series.
Noticed there is an expansion for HOI3 just released, with army management features, more features but it's the same old crappily designed game (micromanagement 'realism' at expense of playability).
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (micromanagement 'realism' at expense of playability). |
You can select what you want to micromanage and what to leave to AI. You do know that, right ?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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HoI3's problems were the shitloads of bugs and broken mechanics IMO, I really liked the actual game though.
With Semper Fi, does the AI actually research useful stuff?
At some point in vanilla they never researched doctrines, Japan was investing heavily in tanks and the UK just built millions of transports.
If all that is fixed I need to give it another try. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Paradox need to get their shit sorted out, I know people who swore an oath never to purchase another game from them over HoI3. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty much one of them. I will at the very least wait for patches, and probably the "expansion pack" patch before even considering another of their titles. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| sheek wrote: | | Noticed there is an expansion for HOI3 just released, with army management features, more features but it's the same old crappily designed game (micromanagement 'realism' at expense of playability). |
HoI3 buttfucked Sheek and killed his dog.
Haven't tried Semper Fi yet but as others pointed out, the mechanics in HoI3 are quite different from HoI2, which was probably the most "streamlined" of the series. HoI3 has more depth and complexity than HoI2 or the original so some hate it just because it's more difficult to play than HoI2, which also plays into the bugs - folks claim that the supply model is broken, when they have actually broken it themselves.
Still, minors are nearly unplayable because of the economics, the AI doesn't really put up much of a fight and there are real bugs in it but I don't know (yet) how much Semper Fi improved things under the hood.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say HoI 3 needs one more beefy expansion before it is ready for prime time. Paradox was incredibly ambitious with the game's design and bit off way more than they could chew. Considering how small their team is, it's not a big surprise.
I'd recommend getting Victoria II when it comes out to tide you over. The game is excellent if you have ANY interest in Victorian era politics. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't Victoria 2 going to be just as unfinished and buggy as HoI3? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Takeda Kenshi wrote: | | I'd recommend getting Victoria II when it comes out to tide you over. The game is excellent if you have ANY interest in Victorian era politics. |
Victoria 1 was a huge micromanagement exercise with no atmosphere. I'm not keen of this setting at all... |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| CarnivalBizarre wrote: | | Takeda Kenshi wrote: | | I'd recommend getting Victoria II when it comes out to tide you over. The game is excellent if you have ANY interest in Victorian era politics. |
Imma huge faggot |
Fixed that for you D:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Destroid wrote: | | Isn't Victoria 2 going to be just as unfinished and buggy as HoI3? |
They hired professional bug search team AND got some handpicked betas from the forums - unlike normal random betas those actually did some work (at least they said so). Have god expectations of this one, probably will be playable in patch 1.2 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |
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And they are not devoting a month of programmer time for developing a ultra-realistic weather model. Which didn't work.
| Quote: | | unlike normal random betas those actually did some work |
Hey, we did a great job with HoI2! I dunno what happened with HoI3 QA-process. 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I'll wait at least for another patch and probably the next expansion before buying and playing HOI3. It's the tried and tested way of approaching Paradox games.
I'm also really, really looking forward to Victoria 2 and the possible Crusader Kings 2. Have they even announced that one formally already?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| GarfunkeL wrote: | And they are not devoting a month of programmer time for developing a ultra-realistic weather model. Which didn't work.
| Quote: | | unlike normal random betas those actually did some work |
Hey, we did a great job with HoI2! I dunno what happened with HoI3 QA-process. |
I, too, was a HoI beta tester. Best, most finished Paradox game straight out of the box, but the whole process drained me and turned me off the whole beta testing thing. Ended up not playing HoI2 for many months after it was released.
Thanks for the suggestions here everyone. I am looking forward to Victory 2...sometime in the future. It seems that Paradox titles have gone back to the "ready after several patches" business they had before HoI2 broke the mould temporarily. And to top it all off, patches now cost money (at least patches that EU2 used to have with game changing mechanics thrown in), so I will invariably wait for the "complete edition".
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| sheek wrote: | Arsenal of Democracy is the best in the HOI series.
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No it's not. It has some nice ideas, but fails to execute them. Also, it's a schoolbook example of trying to fix the things that work perfectly,breaking them in the process.
HoI3's main feature seems to be the tedious management of chains-of-command and fronts just to see the AI fuck it completely when the action starts. It also looks like huge smelly shit when compared to HoI2, I just can't get used to the new map. I like the new research tab though, props for that. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have Semper Fi and AI army management there works, more or less. Well, at least it overran Poland in a month when I defined the front and the objectives. Wouldn't trust it with anything more serious, though.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm actually having heaps of fun playing Hungary with Semper Fi and the lastest beta patch since the weekend. Put in some house rules (no cheats, no gamey exploits) and you've got an amazingly fun game at this point. Russia is actually pushing back the German invasion at this point. Whic is amazing considering they really didn't implement the harshness of king winter that well.
EDIT: Man, that last betapatch sure does change things around. Started a new Hungary game and Japan kicked China's ass, becoming a giant asian superpower in 1939. Germany got Poland, declared war on Norway but didn't invade and then they tried to run through the lowlands to get to France but got bogged down in what looks remarkably like the front lines of the previous WW. Meanwhile Romania joined the allies, so I had to invade them. Yugoslavia joined the axis and the USSR is looking rather frighteningly powerfull at the moment.
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