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Amasius

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:04 am Post subject:

Sometimes I wonder how it feels to be Rosh.

But I'm very curious about that game he is working on. All the serious journalists here should do their damn duty and try to find a leak in his team. Even some rumors would be fine for a start. Razz

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Joe Krow

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:15 am Post subject:

What is this secret information you supposedly have? POST IT ALREADY. ...and could somebody please pass the popcorn?

kingcomrade
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:31 am Post subject:

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twatwaffling

I can't find this in my dictionary.
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Rosh
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:27 am Post subject:

Joe Krow wrote:

What is this secret information you supposedly have? POST IT ALREADY.

In a nutshell:

If you liked F:POS and think Oblivion is TEH GRATEST THING EVAR, then Fallout 3 is the game for you. Same lack of attention to setting, story, background elements, why the game was made the way it was, that we've dealt with since Chuck Cuevas. Instead of being a P&P-styled CRPG, you can fully expect Morrowind with Guns, and even though Googie doesn't fit the setting quite right (was more "art deco in ruins"), F:POS' use of Googie was described to me as "... would be better than some of the concept art and assets already created for Fallout 3". Much of the shit simply doesn't fit, including some cheap scratch marks and rust brushing akin to FOT, and some stuff that better belongs in Blade Runner. Which was good, but is by no means near Fallout.

Again, as per Bethesda's crappy development, primary development is for the X-Box, with PC as an afterthought. And if you thought the inventory and general interface was bad for Oblivion... Think of what Nival did to the panels and other functionality of HoM&M for Heroes V, and you'll see nearly the same thing for Fallout 3. After all, a status pane like the bottom of Fallout "gets in way of seeing the action", as I've heard about excuses for removing it.

Unashamedly stupid RT combat that will make Bloodlines combat look like genuine CRPG gameplay (as if we could expect anything else from Bethesda as of recent), same kind of roam as Oblivion, except from what I saw and was told, it's FP combat when firearms are brought into play much like Bloodlines. In other words, they're giving Fallout a near Dark Messiah treatment that Might and Magic enjoyed, but with a lot less kicking, probably about the same writing quality, and with 90% more industry newbies on the team. From what I was told up to November, they were still having fun learning about how to script speech trees, as those were considered to be "extra" from the start.

"We will do what we do best" indeed. Freaky Pete has spoken no truer words.

Kingcomrade: Wrong dictionary. Hell, you have a load of evidence on this site of Kharn twatwaffling with VDweller, the part where Kharn was humiliated upon his own forum and then dragged it onto here for more was just priceless. Now add in the comedy that Kharn refused to do his job and completely ignored the info because of his personal beef with VDweller, and it becomes even more hilarious. Big Grin

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:50 am Post subject:

Check DarkSign's thread in MMOs, cocksucker. Tell us about your game... saying it's tactical and post-apoc is nice but not very useful. Who are you making this with? How long have you been developing, any revolutionary new RPG features in it? If you have any good predictions (insights, not pure guesses) into how F3 will turn out, please post them here. The idea is to group them all together for easier reference once the game is actually released and so that the whore-apologists can't pretend we didn't tell them.

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:59 am Post subject:

From what I can tell, Fallout 3 will be the pinnacle, the summit, of the current RPG genre as far as moving foward and what future RPG's are about. If the Fallout community does indeed rip Fallout 3 a new one when it is released, then what the fuck are we gonna do? Seriously. Live off Nostalgia? Hope some golden age will come back and sprout life in our world of dreary lives in the world of post-apocalyptic RPG genre? I really hope Fallout 3 will indeed be at least decent for all the souls who cherish CRPG gaming in its purest form.

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:18 am Post subject:

Nostalgia: maybe give up the obsession with the Fallout franchise. There are other RPGs and other things of interest in gaming than that abused, rotten and mutilated carcass. If your life is so 'dreary' don't expect on Bethesda (or any other company) to change it for you. Take your responsibilities and don't be such a fucking loser. I don't think the 'community' will have any effect. I think Bethesda will be successful in attracting many new fans and people like Kharn and others will be replaced and forgotten. Also Kharn's so-called community doesn't represent anybody, there are tens of thousands of Fallout fans, hundreds of thousands of people who played and liked Fallout a lot. There are almost as many reasons why they like the game. Many people would not mind a more FPS approach. The 'we are the only true fans' mantra does not convince anybody. It will be like TES. A large number of current fans of the series never played Oblivion. More started with Morrowind. There are still fans who played Arena or Daggerfall and think each game since has been an improvement. Fact is that Bethesda will only care about a handful of loud-mouthed losers say if it brings them something. If they are put in a position during development where they need your support maybe you can influence them, but the more time passes the less likely that becomes.

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:33 am Post subject:

dagorkan wrote:

If your life is so 'dreary' don't expect on Bethesda (or any other company) to change it for you. Take your responsibilities and don't be such a fucking loser.

Whoa. Whoa. Go easy on me, pal. I know my responsibilities and I know what has become of the Shini Grafix era of gaming. I just reminesce of the Quest for Glory days and the promise those kind of games showed, considering I spent most of my childhood playing CRPG's.

Rosh
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:41 am Post subject:

dagorkan wrote:

Check DarkSign's thread in MMOs, cocksucker. Tell us about your game... saying it's tactical and post-apoc is nice but not very useful.

I don't recall saying post-apocalypse as a setting (though it is a setting in #3), tactical combat was meant to be stated as turn-based tactical combat, and I do believe I added a lot more than the usual press kit filler you'd see for most other games.

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Who are you making this with?

Oh, dear, do I need to name-drop in addition to what I have already said in that thread? You should know by now that I detest such puerile hyping. Big Grin

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How long have you been developing, any revolutionary new RPG features in it?

I don't use the words "revolutionary", "new age", "new era", or anything the hype whores care to throw around. I will state, however, that some beloved parts of games like Wizardry, with their continuing story from the ending you picked in the previous game, will be similar to what we are trying to accomplish...with the whole fucking story arcs, through a trilogy. The story is planned to play out differently, and we intend truly differently, based upon the character's actions in the game. Alliances will not be a simple different ending or a few bonus items, but instead felt throughout the progression of the game once those alliances are made. We plan on focusing upon role-playing, with the protagonist even able to take the role of the main villain, if they so desire, and not in a binary method of KoTOR and Fable. Which both had static story paths as well.

An assload of writing? Yes, it has been. The trilogy has been in writing for about three years, and unfortunately only the first 1/5 of the first game can be publicly talked about, as the mere locations of the rest of the series will be a spoiler. The game is also done when it's done, meaning that it could be four to six years before it's finished, or longer, hence why the graphics are planned to be "adequate" so we could instead focus upon the story.

I still hold the Origin beliefs, that a CRPG is an interactive story (though I don't like linear stories as a CRPG has the ability to be the ULTIMATE in pick-your-own-path adventures), and should feel that way. This silly Fed-Ex bullshit of recent CRPG lameness has got to go. I am also tired of games where NPC interaction consists of "kiss their ass as much as possible". No, fuck that, be yourself and the people will respond accordingly. If you're a brute, people should respond in suit depending upon their personality, and may like or hate you for it. For one example, in Bloodlines with the Bonds Shop. Insult the owner and he thinks it's pretty funny and likes you a bit more, but too much is too far, stuff like that. Others might like even cruder behavior. Be yourself or how you want to play your character, and it should respond to you in turn.

That is our plan, and we intend to stick with it as it's the purpose for writing the game.

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If you have any good predictions (insights, not pure guesses) into how F3 will turn out, please post them here.
The idea is to group them all together for easier reference once the game is actually released and so that the whore-apologists can't pretend we didn't tell them.

Well, I'd post them in that thread, except for one problem. They aren't predictions. They're what I have been told by Bethesda employees. Whether Bethesda as a whole has the cojones to figure out that they should start doing honest work, or hire more industry newbs from their TES forums, is up to them. It has been a few months since I have heard about the art, hopefully it has changed since. I haven't heard word different since, so... *shrug*

Already I can confirm no aimed shots were planned in the game at the time I was talking with my sources (think damage locations...). The combat also wasn't planned for knockdowns and other similar effects that were omitted from FOT due to the nature of RT and how knockdowns would be handled. Of course, some of the developers at the beginning were a bit confused between Fallout and FOT. Understandably so, with the talent pool at Bethesda.

That thread does bring up a few items that I will pose to my contacts when I next speak with them, hopefully I can get some more answers, and will in turn let the people here know.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:04 am Post subject:

You know what I'm gonna hate most?

When reviewers say that Fallout 3 does the first two justice. When they say its everything fallout fans want. When they say its a Fallout game. Even though its just Oblivion with guns. I'm going to cry when I read those reviews.

Damn you Bethseda! Damn you all ta hell!
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:

The_Nameless_Prick wrote:

If the Fallout community does indeed rip Fallout 3 a new one when it is released, then what the fuck are we gonna do? Seriously. Live off Nostalgia? Hope some golden age will come back and sprout life in our world of dreary lives in the world of post-apocalyptic RPG genre?

I'll be playing Supreme Commander. I had more fun with the demo already than with any RPG from 2006.
THere are other games I want to play, but you get the idea. If no good RPGs are released, I'll just not play RPGs, and sometimes wish good RPGs are made.
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Sir_Brennus

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

Claw wrote:

May I ask which RPGs of 2006 you have been playing (games billed as such):
Pick one of these:

Banished, The
Dungeon Siege II - Broken World
Etrom - The Astral Essence
Gods: Lands of Infinity
Gooka - Das Geheimnis von Janatris
Gothic 3
Ground Zero - Genesis of a New World
Hammer und Sichel (Hammer & Sickle)
Mage Knight: Apocalypse
Neverwinter Nights 2
Oblivion (Elder Scrolls IV)
Star Wolves 2
Titan Quest
Wächter der Nacht (Night Watch)

I am totaly oblivious of the fact that anyone couldn't have more fun with these than with that bold but half-assed attempt of a RTS game that is best played on a maxed out map, shoving ugly dots from one point to the other ...
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Brother None

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject:

Rosh wrote:

Even so, I find it amazing that someone until recently off-site seemed to understand the material and what was going on even better than the NMA staff. Care to explain that one?

Yes, it's you.

Rosh wrote:

It's not politics because that's the way the sources wanted it to be handled, as I've told you before.

Actually, you never mentioned that before, and it's more of a valid reason.

Rosh wrote:

And it's not politics when I'm trying to evaluate exactly how much other people are doing their supposed jobs as "news admin".

The point still essentially stands, though. As I understood from you, action in the month of July could have made a difference. Seeing inaction on our parts, you decided not to act either.

I'll be very honest with you, Rosh, I think you have a point and that I was wrong in a lot of things. I saw the rumours and it did not even occur to me to post them. The lackluster reactions they got on DaC didn't encourage me any further. So I didn't post them, which according to you is either a sign of ignorance or not caring. Maybe you're right, I don't see the need to draw it into a personalities debate. I'm of the opinion that you could easily either have posted it yourself or implanted the idea that it should be posted *on time*, rather than 4 months later. Nobody asked you to carry the burden by yourself, but nor were you encouraging anyone to carry any burden for you.

In that context, I'm posting your post above on NMA. Too little too late? Stupidity? Laxness? Inconsistency? "I won"? Sure.

Rosh wrote:

Well, if I'm going to be the only fan who seems to care about the details of the game than bicker over useless shit and how Bethesda hasn't told you anything so you are clueless, and you did't see any reason to listen to me, then I wasn't going to waste my time dealing with a bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to do anything but read DAC for news

Ok, but then you're not really any better than us in effect. Are you?

Rosh wrote:

So why should I be the one giving you the info, have my sources demanded from me, if I'm going to be the only one trying to do the work?

Call me crazy, Rosh, but if you wanted people to work with you, why didn't you ask, rather than posting the rumours and expecting people to read your mind/intentions?

Rosh wrote:

Then, if NMA "doesn't repost rumors", as you yourself have recently, I wonder if I would have gotten the same shit and perhaps even the article taken down.

No you don't. You know damn well that you're way too respected to be criticised for doing something like that, and that equally it would not have been taken down. That's not in doubt.

Rosh wrote:

Yes, it could have been made into a news item, but then remember the blissful ignoring people did with the X-Box comments Pete and Todd made previously,

Personally, I'm still kind of surprised by that. As far as I know, it was pretty much asumed it would be console-pc from day 1, yet some people expressed surprise at hints in that direction.

I can't take responsibility for other people paying attention, though.

Rosh wrote:

Learn to read, dipshit.

Whoops.

Rosh wrote:

Sulking over a few pages of how you've not bothered to do digging for yourself, and instead have to rely on Bethesda spoon-feeding it to you, tends to be a pathetic read when I also know that you haven't done shit for looking for yourself but read DAC and some other sites. No contacts of your own except those that will visit the NMA or DAC forums, and the relayed information from those that were available through others was often ignored in light of Order-style drama whoring.

Rosh, I never pretended to look for developer contacts. That was never my job on NMA, nor with Van Buren nor now. As far as I know, there is an NMA team each of whom has his own jobs to take care of. Are you saying getting developer contacts is the only relevant job on NMA and every admin should be doing it?

Rosh wrote:

You are, in essence, putting yourself on the same level as the other work and effort people have done in the past for the Fallout franchise, and that's simply dishonest as hell.

I am?

Rosh wrote:

And your assumption.

Also true.

Rosh wrote:

Actually, I did. I was trying to keep the franchise as best as I could, and that is also achieved by NOT compromising the few remaining developers there at Bethesda who have integrity, while also trying to explain what Bethesda was doing to the title. The Fallout 3 forum and news forum are LITTERED with a number of my posts that explain this in depth.

I can't prioritize Fallout 3 over you, because now you're both equally fucked up, too late to help either.

Ok, so if you have no suggestions to make, what are you trying to accomplish? Should we all roll over and die?

Honestly, Rosh, I'm quite done. I'm fine with you declaring victory now, but I don't think this is leading anywhere. If you want to give up on the Fallout community, I can live with that, but then there's no more reason for me to talk to you.

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dragged it onto here

A start about that thread on NMA was made over here, and not by me. Be factual.

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Kharn refused to do his job and completely ignored the info because of his personal beef with VDweller

I've never had any personal beef with VDweller, and what do you base this on?
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject:

it's kinda like a midget wrestling match. replace midgets with fat middle aged men who still live with their parents and replace wrestling with... i dunno... a contest to see who's a bigger failure at being an adult. very keen, ladies, very keen. _________________ jihad me at hello

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:

Hey guys Don't you understand that this is just the thing that Btehsoft wants?? The nma & the codex arguing over some minor details when we really should be focusin on working together and voicing out our common concerns that FO3 is going to be Oblivion with Guns (of sorts., apparently). This means an FPS action game with some stats (maybe?) and some quests/missions to do. I'm pretty sure that STALKER is the better game, though. Anyway, if the codex, nma and DaC stands together and does say these things in unision, then maybe.... someone actually will listen _________________ Please support http://www.maternityworldwide.org/ - and save a mother giving birth to a child.

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject:

Class clowns are so pathetic when they fail at being funny, am I right mister l? _________________ "Next time, try to write as if you are applying for a job, rather than MSN chat. Your country invented the language, try to use it well. I've seen chimps batter out better passages on typewriters. Shagnak's reaction is the prime example of how people react to that mess you posted." - Fez "It still puzzles me why certain RPG developers seem so intent on following trends, when their consumer base couldn't be trendy, even with a +10 Bag of Conforming to the Social Norm." - Section8

mister lamat

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject:

why would they listen to people who took an active role in marginalizing themselves? like or dislike hines and howard, more than enough has been said to dehumanize them to the point where they no longer want to hear what these people have to say, or even visit the site. a rather large part of communication, or journalism if you want to call it that, is knowing how to be political and knowing when to hold your tongue. they make more than enough money with their product and keep their investors happy. those are the only people they're accountable to, the only people they 'have' to listen to. there's no point in paying attention to someone who calls you 'the father of lies'. bethesda wants to make a game and they will, for good or for bad. they really don't care if some sad old men with copious amounts of free time are bickering about how to build their intarweb maginot line of fallout purity. _________________ jihad me at hello

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject:

aries202 wrote:

The nma & the codex arguing over some minor details when we really should be focusin on working together and voicing out our common concerns that FO3 is going to be Oblivion with Guns (of sorts., apparently).

I'm sure there is great consent about this matter.
Some minor personal differences haven't enough weight to change that in any way.
But I fear that the chance of success is nonexistent ( see Oblivion, StarTrek:Legacy...).
As long as Beth makes sufficient money with crappy games, they have no need to change their policy in any way - especially because they're receiving one "award" after another.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject:

A bit off topic, but bear with me. I have just picked up a copy of the Danish Magazine for PC games, called PC Player. They have given the Star Trek: Legacy a score of 5,5 which most, imo, relies on the fact that it mainly is an action game. And the action isn't, according to the review, that great. The missions are few and simple isn't varied enough... Star Trek Legacy is designed to be an action game for the X box. (sadly it is apparently not that great an action game). I have been to my local EB Store and seen the Xbox versions of Star Trek:Legacy. They do NOT seem to be moving (that fast, anyway). I know that many people on the sites I mentioned, don't like Oblivion. I do, but I do not think that is an rpg, It is more of crossbreed genre, a mix of rpg, action and adventure (meaning exploring) genre. And Vanilla Oblivion isn't much a game. imo. Thankfully, there is modders for this game, too. I sincerely hope that Fallout 3 is NOT Oblivion with Guns. (yet, if it is, I'd still maintain that STALKER would be the better game). ETA: To me, it seems that Bethsoft (and Zenimax Media) has chosen their target audience of 13-16 (or maybe 13-19 year) old boys, who they think wants (brawdy) action games like Star Trek: Legacy and Oblivion. (well, Oblivion is really more of action/adventure game, but you get the drift, I hope ). I don't know if Bethsoft and Zenimax Media haven't gotten the memo that the average gamer now is in his thirties or at least somewhere between 25-35 year's old. And that these average gamer do demand content which is suitable for them. And that this actually means making good games, be they rpg games or action games. I'm not out to get action games, since there really are many solid and valid action games out there, which also seems to have a decent story: Games like Prey, Gears of War and Lost Planet, and also games such as Space Rangers 2 and Supreme Commander as well. The point is this: Highly well written games are well written througout the genres --- and does indeed deserve to be acclaimed and commended... Badly written deserves neither...

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject:

mister lamat wrote:

why would they listen to people who took an active role in marginalizing themselves? like or dislike hines and howard, more than enough has been said to dehumanize them to the point where they no longer want to hear what these people have to say, or even visit the site. a rather large part of communication, or journalism if you want to call it that, is knowing how to be political and knowing when to hold your tongue.

they make more than enough money with their product and keep their investors happy. those are the only people they're accountable to, the only people they 'have' to listen to. there's no point in paying attention to someone who calls you 'the father of lies'. bethesda wants to make a game and they will, for good or for bad. they really don't care if some sad old men with copious amounts of free time are bickering about how to build their intarweb maginot line of fallout purity.

I agree 100%.
Kharn...go do something productive you really cant call what you do work..a 5 year old can repost articles.
Briasfreak....quit sucking Kharns dick...your a fucking puppet with no balls hopefully NMA will cut those strings they have you hanging by.
Rosh...your the bigger man here, why do you even bother arguing with an idiot troll like Kharn, the same person who gets mad and calls people a "nigger" thats shows how much of a douchebag he really is along with all the other nazi NMA admin/mods.

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject:

Rosh wrote:

Ugh. This sounds about as dreadful as ever, it's like they are not even trying. Aries202, yes, Fallout 3 will be an action game designed for the xbox kiddies. Like we expected anything other than that, really.

Welcome to RPG Hell.

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

While I don't agree with everything Mr lamat says,

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they really don't care if some sad old men with copious amounts of free time are bickering about how to build their intarweb maginot line of fallout purity.

That was extremely witty and funny to me lol

But seriously Mr lamat, instead of fence sitting, what do you think? what kind of Fallout would you prefer out of the various models swinging around the place?

As for what Fallout 3 will be.....Pfft....Who didn't fucking know?! I am serious here, how can any of you still be delusional? Time for a new brand of Post Apoc Roleplaying.

Edit: Actually, It also pisses me off that along with Fallout having to be raped, it can't even be raped and made by a decent Shooter dev. Its a lose/lose situation Cry

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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

mister lamat wrote:

Have a look at Oblivion : A lot of communication, a lot of lies and in the end a crappy game.
Have a look at StarTrek:Legacy : communication to abuse fansites for free advertising to feed the pre realease hype, and in the end a crappy game.
Are you really surprised by the angry reactions?
Do you think a professional PR clown feels insulted now?
Why do yo think same people with same jobs can be trusted now?
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject:

The_Nameless_Prick wrote:

Hey nothing personal. Just I hear people whining all the time like F3 is the end of the world it annoys me and just depressing. Yes I agree Bethesda will screw it up but get a grip on yourselves.

@Rosh: 'assload of righting' nice, you sure got me interested.

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That thread does bring up a few items that I will pose to my contacts when I next speak with them, hopefully I can get some more answers, and will in turn let the people here know.

I didn't realize there was somebody with active contacts in the Bethsoft. Thanks that would be great.

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