Chrono Cross had a damned good soundtrack though and it had a great art style, so fuck you guys and your fat wives.
Fez said:
Are we still arguing about crappy emofest Japanese games?
Our time would be better spent attacking Peter instead.
Mareus = Peter Molyneux
Besides, its been entertaining proving to Mareus that he's the one who is actually clueless.
Mareus said:
Fat Dragon, I am well aware of the story holes. I said it many times, I just don't find them game breaking since I tend to look at the game from a childish perspective. It's a freaking interactive anime cartoon. It tries to be childish. But what you described I wouldn't call holes since you are clueless like Xor. There are other holes in the story, some intentional, but these you mentioned, are not it. Allow me to elaborate your cluelessness.
Disagree with that. The story wasn't treated like it was a cartoon. The characters take everything very seriously in the story, don't constantly crack jokes, no abundance of cartoon violence. Yep, the story is serious business, it's just not very good. That whole dumb Avalanche plan wasn't dumb because it was childish or anime; it was just shit writing.
Now from what I have read of your complaints, you obviously don't understand the story. You mentioned that Sephiroth could have killed Rufus Shinra when he was hiding on that ship, but you forget to mention one crucial thing, but I am not surprised since a lot of people have trouble understanding the story because it gives you so many explanations and lets you figure it out yourself. On that ship, it was not Sephiroth. That is explained later in the story. Remember, that it was said Jenova can take any shape she wants? On that ship it was Jenova. Sephiroth was in that huge block of ice all that time and the parts of Jenova were starting to gather where Sephiroth was trapped -> that was the reunion. Jenova was manipulating bitch and manipulation is her greatest power. She needed Rufus and that is why she didn't kill him. She needed him because it was Shinra company who was producing clones of Sephiroth. And Rufus was a threat to her, just like Cloud was -> in case you are not getting it, they were no threat. They were used.
First, you're mixed up. Cloud threw Seph (who was carrying Jenova's head) into the Mako reactor and through force of will, Seph merges and controls Jenova for the rest of the game. So he's the manipulator, Jenova is just his pawn and is just something he controls with his own will. So, on the boat what looked like Seph was actually Jenova being controlled by the real Seph at the crater. And he's not trapped in the crater, he went there himself. If you don't believe me then look it up in the FF7 Ultimania Omega Guide, published by Square, where this fact was established as official canon. Of course, how he managed to take control of Jenova by merging with her decapitated head is never eplained. Shit writing.
Anyway Seph didn't need Rufus or Shinra. Seph needed the black materia so he could make the meteor. The clones' purpose was to get bring it to him. Only a finite number were ever made, and by the time the story of the game starts all of them had already been made. Shinra had already outlved their usefulness before the boat trip, so there really was no reason to keep them alive. All they do throughout the game is slow down the main party and try to stop the big bad themselves. At one point they even try to shoot Seph's crater with a BFG so they can enter and pwn him. Had he just killed the bosses on the boat that would have been avoided because Shinra would have been without a capable leader. I highly doubt Sarlet or Hedeger would have been qualified...Oh wait, Hedeger was with Rufus on the boat.
Hell, the only thing useful Shinra did for the Big Bad was do some experiments with Cloud which apparently let Seph mind control him, which is how Seph ended up finally getting the black orb. But again, all that experimentation with Cloud happened before the boat slaughter and by that time Shinra had become useless.
Also, why kill the fatass but not his son Rufus? If they're so useful to Seph, why kill off the dumb and easily manipulated one that happens to be in charge just so his smart son can take over?
I also already explained that Avalanche were trying to blow up the reactors. Since reactors drain all the spiritual energy of the planet, if you destroy them, the draining of energy would stop. I don't see anything retarded here, and characters on more than one occasion mention how they have done terrible things for the survival of the planet and how awful they feel about it.
That still doesn't make their plan any less retarded. Why must they blow up the whole damned city just to stop them? What's the point in saving the planet if you end up killing off most of its population? Kind of defeats the purpose, no?
It apparently doesn't take any more than 5 or 6 people to take over a reactor, same goes for storming the Shinra HQ. Why the fuck didn't big dumb Barret just secretly amass his forces until they're larger than 7 people? Instead of blowing the shit out of everything, just send forces to occupy the reactors and shut them down (not blow them up) all at the same time while another force goes to the HQ and takes out the Shinra leaders. Shinra falls apart without any competent leaders, the reactors are shut down instead of blown up so the planet is saved, etc etc.
Then you mention Sephiroth and again you show your lack of knowledge of facts. Sephiroth did not try to destroy the planet with the meteor. He wanted to make a huge wound on the planet, since it is explained more than once that the planet heals itself when wounded by amassing huge quantities of lifestream on the wound. Lifestream was spiritual energy of all living beings and he wanted to merge itself with the lifestream and in doing so become a God. Furthermore there is a lot of evidence that points to Jenova being behind everything, controling him like a puppet. Again, if you actually followed the story you would see it is not so simple as everyone here for some reason claims.
The planet would be destroyed because Seph wants to chug down all of its magic water. According to the old man at Cosmic Canyon, if the magic water dries up, planet goes BOOM.
Planet = Doomed.
And I explained above that Jenova isn't controlling Seph, it's the other way around and provided you the source where that is proven. So tell me, who is the clueless one?
And it was obvious something was wrong with Cloud from beginning, but I doubt anyone here could actually figure it out until the end of the game when everything becomes much clearer
Are you referring to Cloud's identity crisis with that black haired guy? That was unexpected, however anybody could easily realize that Cloud would eventually have a big mental breakdown at some point in the story. So it wasn't surprising at all when he did.
But I agree with you on one point. Advent Children was shit.
Agreed. The whole part with Sephiroth wanting to go surfin in the sea of stars using the planet was just lulzy.
Edit:
Sorry, forgot about the Aerie mating with Red XIII. Let me just put it this, way... I have seen weirder stuff in fantasy settings, especially anime. They were in some weird chamber, so maybe it had something to do with it. I have no clue how Hojo wanted to make it work and frankly I don't want to know. LOL.
In other words: it was shit story design.
Edit2:
Oh yeah, and again you demonstrate your cluelessness by mentioning Aerie going all alone after Sephiroth. LOL! You really didn't get the story. If it is so simple like you claim it is, how come you didn't get it? LOL.
Keep fooling yourself, oh smugness. LOL!!!11
1. I already said Aerie didn't go after Sephiroth. She went to that place to activate the holy materia since her dead mother told her it is the only thing it can save the planet. She new, it was not up to Cloud or the Shinra to save the planet, it was up to her.
So fucking what if she knew it was up to her? If she knew that, then she should have realized that Sephiroth knew that and would attempt to stop her. She should have lead Wanker and Co. there so she would have somebody to watch her back, not go off alone and leave herself open to attack.
She knew how powerful Sephiroth is and she didn't want to endanger the rest if it was all up to her. Again, this is something you discover later in the game. And she knew she would have to die in order to activate the white materia which makes it all the more tragic.
If she knew how powerful Sephiroth is, then she would have realized that he would rape her up the ass with no difficulty if she went there by herself. Common sense says if you're going into dangerous territory, don't fucking go alone. Even if she figured Seph would raise hell with the rest of the guys, she'd still stand a better chance of success than going it alone. Aeris was just a fucking dumbass that deserved to die for her stupdity, plain and simple.
You put the number 1 down, but I'm guessing you don't actually have a second point to list? So are we done here? I do enjoy a good argument from time to time, but quite frankly this one is just boring me.
