Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 15337 Location: Vault 13
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't look too bad, although I'm concerned about the size. Some characters have a lot to say, and limiting the interface like that may not work. If the dialogue screen doubles in size it wouldn't really matter whether it's in the middle or at the bottom. Still, we'd consider your suggestion. _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Ismaul


Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Posts: 394
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another option.
Done very very hastedly, but you get the idea.
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 15337 Location: Vault 13
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I like it. Thanks for the efforts, Ismaul. We'll play with the concept. Any comments from other folks on that idea? _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Nick


Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 235 Location: Over the hills and far away
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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About windowed mode - generally, it's not very hard to do that.
OTOH, it may cause a certain loss of perfomance (i.e. lower FPS), because you can't get hardware acceleration and doublebuffered video surface in windowed mode on Windows.
Thank you all for your suppport and ideas, we appreciate that! |
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Nick


Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 235 Location: Over the hills and far away
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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To Ismaul: looks good indeed. Let's see what other people think about it. _________________ Oh, 'twould be marvelous if the world and its moral questions were like some game board, with plain black players and white, and fixed rules, and nary a shade of grey.
The Black Company. Shadows Linger. |
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keeks

Joined: 15 Jan 2004 Posts: 76 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The style in Ismaul's second picture looks pretty good. I would of course prefer portraits but I wouldn't mind this kind of dialogue interface at all. |
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Whipporowill Nude Kid On the Block

Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 2955 Location: 59°19'03"N 018°02'15"E
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm all for the 2nd example with the "focus circle". A lot better than hiding the whole screen. On the whole, looking great VD and team (as if you didn't know). _________________ Retired RPG Codex Newshound
Eye On Troika - R.I.P
The Eyesore & other old crap
The Super Bowl, which I guess is happening today, is sort of like the Oscars for people who are still impressed by fire.
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Spazmo Fights like a dairy farmer

Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 5754 Location: Monkey Island
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashback wrote: | About windowed mode - generally, it's not very hard to do that.
OTOH, it may cause a certain loss of perfomance (i.e. lower FPS), because you can't get hardware acceleration and doublebuffered video surface in windowed mode on Windows. |
Perhaps, but it's not like AoD is going to be too taxing on computers anyways. As someone else suggested, at least include it as an unsupported option for people whose processors can handle the extra load. _________________ How appropriate. You fight like a cow. |
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Ismaul


Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Posts: 394
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I also prefer the circle option, although there's a limitation with it. Dialogues between two characters far from each other won't fit in the interface. In that case, I suggest focussing on the talking NPC.
Oh, and what about dialogues with more than two characters? will it happen in the game? It's pretty rare usually, there was some in Torment. |
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obediah


Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 4968
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the circle idea, I assume that since the original blocked so much of the screen that you don't need to worry about seeing stuff happen during a conversation. |
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Elwro -


Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 8078 Location: Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I also think Ismaul's circle idea is great! _________________ Strong winds bring sea spray. I stand on the cliff, trying to endure the pain within me, growing stronger. Ever stronger
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Reklar


Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 395 Location: Port Orchard, WA, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Ditto to what Elwro said.
-Reklar
(a Fallout/RPG fan) _________________ "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." -Elbert Hubbard |
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Spazmo Fights like a dairy farmer

Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 5754 Location: Monkey Island
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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I can't wait to see how AoD turns out, if only to see how what seems to be a totally different method of development works. I can't think of any other game that's gotten so much feedback and suggestions from its likely customer- (and hey, fan-) base and it'll be interesting to see how it all ends up.
Also I just want to play a fsckitating RPG. _________________ How appropriate. You fight like a cow. |
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Nick


Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 235 Location: Over the hills and far away
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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As I saw from previous posts, it looks like windowed mode is important for many people. I'll add it to my tasks list then. And, as not everyone can rely on raw CPU power, I'll have to add some optimizations for software mode too. Though, fullscreen mode will remain faster.
I won't also forget about interface design, called "Ismaul's circle".  _________________ Oh, 'twould be marvelous if the world and its moral questions were like some game board, with plain black players and white, and fixed rules, and nary a shade of grey.
The Black Company. Shadows Linger. |
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 15337 Location: Vault 13
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ismaul wrote: | | I also prefer the circle option, although there's a limitation with it. Dialogues between two characters far from each other won't fit in the interface. In that case, I suggest focussing on the talking NPC. |
We'll play with it and post the screens
| Quote: | | Oh, and what about dialogues with more than two characters? will it happen in the game? It's pretty rare usually, there was some in Torment |
Nope. It worked well in PST because of the party members. We don't have any.
| Spazmo wrote: | | I can't wait to see how AoD turns out, if only to see how whaht seems to be a totally different method of development works. I can't think of any other game that's gotten so much feedback and suggestions from its likely customer- (and hey, fan-) base and it'll be interesting to see how it all ends up. |
Yep. There were tons of suggestions, both public and private, so thanks for that. We always pay attention to everything people have to say. _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 15337 Location: Vault 13
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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In regard to the dialogue sequence we've shown, I got a few pms and emails with questions that could be summarized as "are all dialogues like that?".
The answer is yes, all dialogues are that "complex" (although I wouldn't call them that) and skill-based. However, keep in mind that only 4 skills were used in that sequence: etiquette, persuasion, trading, stealing. So, if you have a character that specializes in swords, dodge, critical strike, etc or lore, alchemy, crafting, etc, such a character will get only one "I can't handle it, can you help me" option, and that's assuming that he's a member of the Guild. Needless to say though, different characters will have different options available to them, and asking the Thieves Guild to help you deal with the kidnapping is only 1 option out of 5. _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Lancaster

Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 27
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| The dialog looks good. How many skills are in the game? Is there a site or at least some info available? |
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Fez CRPG Pope

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 7949
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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No site as of yet, VD's promised one shall appear in due time. If you look around this sub-forum you'll find some links to screen shots of the game, one of which shows the player character sheet (skills, reputations, etc.). Have a look around for VD's posts, they contain quite a lot of information about the game. That should tide you over until the offical site goes up. _________________ In Soviet Union, the role plays you! ~Major_Blackhart
Feeling depressed kids? Mom won't let you watch TV? Turning emo? Listen up kids!
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Lancaster

Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 27
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks again, Fez. I have a question for the developers: I see some Fallout influences, are there any tag skills, perks, or traits? Also, how do professions fit in? |
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Lancaster wrote: | | The dialog looks good. How many skills are in the game? Is there a site or at least some info available? |
15 general skills and 8 combat skills or specializations (swords, axes, hammers, etc). The site is coming soon-ish, but like Fez said, there is a lot of info about the game here. If you want to know something specific, just ask.
| Quote: | | I have a question for the developers: I see some Fallout influences, are there any tag skills, perks, or traits? |
There are no tagged skills, as I prefer to have equal skills. Perks were planned but were replaced later by many different things (skill bonuses, combat moves, upgrade techniques, etc - for example, in Fallout you can get "bonus rate of fire" -1AP perk easily, in AoD you'd have to work harder for that. That's the idea). No traits.
| Quote: | | Also, how do professions fit in? |
They are backgrounds, not classes. Professions don't restrict character development in any way, but simply define your standing within the society. For example, if you start as a thief, you'd have negative reaction modifier with guards (means they are less likely to deal with you) and positive modifiers with the shady elements AND contacts with the Thieves Guild which are hard to obtain otherwise. Walking into the Guild and asking them to sign you up aint gonna work and most likely will get your ass in trouble.
Alternatively, you could start as a knight (praetorian) working for one of the Noble Houses, and your life would be easier in many ways. We have 6 professions: assassin, mercenary, knight, loremaster, thief, and a con artist. _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Major_Blackhart -


Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 5223 Location: Jersey for now
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, this game sounds promising. Hurry the fuck up, I'm jonesing for a rpg fix. _________________ Well, it's not quite a mop, and it's not quite a puppet, but man oh man.
Nicolai wrote "You are the worst person ever, Blackhart."
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 15337 Location: Vault 13
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Major_Blackhart wrote: | | Damn, this game sounds promising. |
It sure does.
| Quote: | | Hurry the fuck up, I'm jonesing for a rpg fix. |
Aye aye, sir! _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Updated screen
Ismaul's idea in akshun! _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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obediah


Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 4968
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Super bonus double cool! I think it's really helps funnel the players attention into the conversation. |
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Vault Dweller Ubersturmfuhrer

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Glad you like it. My thanks to Ismaul. _________________ Spazmo: Odds are, something you like very much sucks. Why? Because this is RPG Codex. |
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