Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Information Fallout 1 GURPS Vision Statement

Crooked Bee

(no longer) a wide-wandering bee
Patron
Joined
Jan 27, 2010
Messages
15,048
Location
In quarantine
Codex 2013 Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire MCA Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
Tags: Black Isle Studios; Fallout; GURPS

This isn't really news, but everybody and his rabid dog seem to be talking about this at the moment, so here we go. Courtesy of Twitter, it has become widely known (to me) that there's a full version of Fallout 1's original GURPS "Vision Statement" floating around the net, first spotted at Game Pitches.

It is originally presented in some screwed up Scribd formatting, so I hope you won't mind if I reproduce it here in full. It's a very interesting read.

FALLOUT: A GURPS Post Nuclear Adventure

Vision Statement (or why this game is damn cool)


1. Mega levels of violence (you had better give us that Mature rating right now)
You can shoot everything in this game: people, animals, buildings and walls. You can make “called shots” on people, so you can aim for their eyes or their groin. Called shots can do more damage, knock the target unconscious or have other effects. When people die, they don’t just die – they get cut in half, they melt into a pile of goo, explode like a blood sausage, or several different ways – depending on the weapon you use. When I use my rocket launcher on some poor defenseless townsperson, he’ll know (and his neighbors will be cleaning up the blood for weeks!)

This is the wasteland. Life is cheap and violence is all that there is. We are going to grab the player’s guts and remind him of this

2. There is often no right solution (or dang, we have some moral dilemmas)
This is a bad place. There are bad people. Like it or not, the player will not be able to make everyone live happily ever after. The player will have to make some tough choices. We want the decisions to feel more realistic then other games. We want the player to feel more, not just go through the motions of playing a game.

For example, to restore the ability to make fresh water to the player’s home Vault, the player must take a critical piece of equipment from another town. That town will no longer be able to purify their water, and that town will die. The player can then attempt to save that town, but that’s another problem.

In another town, two people are fighting for control of the town. Neither of these guys are saints. It’s a matter of choice for the player, he has to choose one of these criminals to run the town – and kill the other one.

3. There will always be multiple solutions (it’s more fun that way)
To continue the example from the previous point, the player could also just walk away. He doesn’t have to solve every problem, and there are always multiple solutions. If a player wants to go through the wasteland with guns blazing, laying waste to everyone and everything he sees – we let him! If he wants to sneak around, be quiet and not get into trouble – he can do that to! If he wants to talk it out, offering a diplomatic solution, or lying his teeth out – he can try that too!

No one style of play will be perfect.The player will have to try different actions to get to the end of the game. In one case, the player needs to get into an armed camp. He can try to sneak in (using his stealth skill), bluff his way in (using his fast talk skill), or shoot the guards (using his combat skills).

4. The players actions affect the world (and the world reacts to the player)
The game will notice what the player does and respond accordingly. If the player shoots up people in a tavern, the other patrons will notice. If the player seems badass, then the patrons will leave him alone and go on their way. If the player looks like a wimp, the patrons could take him on. As the player gains a reputation, NPCs will notice – moving out of the way, or going out of their way to kill the player. Once again, we want the player to get involved with what is happening within the game. If the player feels like he is making a difference, then he will want to play more – even if it is just to see how he can change the game world.

5. There is a sense of urgency (the player moves, no sitting around in our game)
There is a clock running. The player’s actions will affect this clock – slowing down or speeding some events, but the clock will always catch up to the player.

The main bad guy isn’t just sitting back and letting the player come kill him. Our bad guy is taking over the world. The longer the player waits, the more towns our bad guy will take over – making it harder for the player to get information and equipment. We will, of course, offer the player the time needed to solve the game and still be able to explore. And the player will get feedback about what is going on in the world. We want to avoid the problem of “What do I do next? Help me, I’m lost and I can’t get a clue!”

6. It’s open ended (well, as much as it can be and still not pull a Darklands)
The player can go anywhere. He may not have the tools, or the experience, to handle where he is, or gain access to some hidden or guarded areas. But the player can explore freely, and return to previous locations.

The player can wander around the world map, and some areas will be hidden on this map. These areas will have more monsters, equipment and maps for the player to encounter and explore. A game can feel large in scope, without being a huge game.

7. The player will have a goal (goals are good, like shipdates)
The player should always feel like he has something to do. And he should always have an idea of what that “something” is.

We will help the player from getting lost and confused by offering them an Adventure Journal. This Journal will take the form of a PDA Computer (sort of an advanced Newton). It will allow the player to check his status during the game. Any adventure seeds that the player is currently following will be noted in the PDA. The player can play back the cinematic sequences that he has seen from this PDA. The PDA also records important clues and information offered by NPCs.

At the beginning of the game, the player will have an immediate goal – surviving long enough to find the water chip to repair the water purifier. As the player advances through the game, they will find out their ultimate goal – stopping the Master from taking over the Wasteland and turning all the humans into mutants.

8. The Player has control over his actions (it is a role-playing game, after all)
The player can act good or evil. It’s up to the player. We want to keep the feeling “Why can’t I do that?!” to a minimum, to avoid frustrating the player. We want to cover a spectrum of gamers, and the actions they might want to do.

At the end of the game, the bad guy will offer the player a job – working for him. The player can accept, and the game will take this into account.

If the player wants to be a butthead to people, we will let him. It might make the character’s job a little more difficult at times, but it might intimidate others into doing what the player needs done.

9. Interface (not in your face)
OK - it needs to be said. A lot of work will go into the interface. It will be easy to use, but can perform complex actions without making the player seem stupid. It will look great, and allow the player to jump right into the action. In general, the left mouse button will perform an action and the right mouse button will bring up a menu of actions to perform or do an alternate action.

A good interface will let the player concentrate on his actions within the game, not the game itself.

10. Encounter Windows (or how you talk to somebody)
When the player talks to somebody important in the game – they will actually talk to them. GURPS covers reactions very well, and we will translate this into the game. If you piss someone off with your comments, then they will look and act pissed – and they will remember it. Depending on the player’s choice of conversation topics, the NPCs will look happy, normal and/or angry. The speech will be lip-synched with the animation.

And your character’s intelligence stat will determine what the player can say. If the character’s IQ is high, the player will be able to select intelligent lines to say – and the NPCs will respond to this. If the IQ is low, then the player will lose the ability to say complex lines, and eventually just be able to say “Duh?” or “What?”. And the NPCs will react to this as well...

11. A wide variety of weapons and actions (means a lot of animation)
The character on the screen represents how the character is equipped. The player has a wide selection of weapons to choose from during the course of play. Weapons like: machine guns, laser pistols, flamethrowers, sledgehammers, knives, clubs, gatling lasers, chainguns, plasmacasters, grenades and more! During combat, the player’s character might be knocked down, knocked out, blown up, set on fire or shredded by machine gun fire. The player gets to watch this happen live on the screen. And the player can do it to other people, of course. And when the player adds armor to his character, he gets to see the new armor. All this will give the player more empathy with his character.

12. Detailed character creation rulesand premade characters (more choices, imagine that from a role-playing game)
The player can choose between detailed rules for making his character (like buying attributes, skills, advantages and selecting disadvantages to get more points) or he can choose from a set of three characters that we will make. The premade characters will be detailed, and will embody the three types of players: combat, stealth and diplomacy boy. This will let some players nitpick their characters to death, or jump right into the action.

As the player gains experience, he can improve his character’s skills and attributes. This will let the player change his character during play.

Detailed character creation is important to many role-playing games, and it is certainly important to GURPS. Letting the player fine turn his own character will get the player more involved in the character, and thus the game.

13. We are making this for the public, but we’ll make the GURPS players happy (it gets pretty ugly when they get too happy, you need a lot of paper towels)
GURPS Fallout will be a GURPS title, using the GURPS rules. But first and foremost, it will be a fun role-playing game. It will just happen to have enough GURPS material to make the GURPSers happy. We must keep this in mind. The game comes first.

GURPS gives us:
  • detailed tactical combat (turn-based but not slow)
  • realistic NPC reactions and reaction based skills
  • complex characters that are very life like (with faults and advantages)
  • non-combat skills that are useful
  • balanced encounters
  • a core following of dedicated players
And Finally,

14. The team is motivated (Tim has incriminating documents on all of us)

This is extremely important. Team GURPS is excited to be making this game. Everyone on the team is happy with what they are doing. We want to do this. We care about this game and we will make it cool.

Team GURPS Mission Statement: Our goal is to work together to make a fun role-playing game, and do it in a reasonable amount of time.​

Thanks to whoever unearthed this first. And thanks Tim Cain! (First and foremost, of course.)
 

hiver

Guest
Luckily there are producers, managers, marketing teams and publishers, aint it?
 

Tigranes

Arcane
Joined
Jan 8, 2009
Messages
10,350
We had access to this for quite a while, no?

Kind of sad (4) and (5) didn't really get fully fleshed out in the game, but it's pretty cool to see how many of those goals they hit.
 

felipepepe

Codex's Heretic
Patron
Joined
Feb 2, 2007
Messages
17,274
Location
Terra da Garoa
We had access to this for quite a while, no?

Kind of sad (4) and (5) didn't really get fully fleshed out in the game, but it's pretty cool to see how many of those goals they hit.
(5) was perfectly done, you had a time limit, but doing stuff like hiring a water caravan in the Hub would extend that time, at the cost of making easier for Mutants to find the Vault. I know that they patched the time limit out later, but I only got a decent internet and downloaded it around 2002...I spend years playing with said time limit.

And (4) was more or less implemented...at least in a much more richer way than any other game I can recall.
 

Tigranes

Arcane
Joined
Jan 8, 2009
Messages
10,350
I can't really remember how much 4 was in the game, so I'll take your word for it. But for 5, I meant:

The main bad guy isn’t just sitting back and letting the player come kill him. Our bad guy is taking over the world. The longer the player waits, the more towns our bad guy will take over – making it harder for the player to get information and equipment.


As far as I remember the only real time limit thing you had was the water chip timer, some warnings, then a Saved/Not Saved deal.
 

Grunker

RPG Codex Ghost
Patron
Joined
Oct 19, 2009
Messages
27,386
Location
Copenhagen
This was quite the find. Maybe I should go back and play some Fallout.

Fallout has nothing to with GURPS, sadly. I was supposed to, but for different reasons they switched to their own abomination, S.P.E.C.I.A.L.

Also, GURPSGURPSGURPSGURPSGURPS
 

Alex

Arcane
Joined
Jun 14, 2007
Messages
8,750
Location
São Paulo - Brasil
Tigranes
They implemented the mutants taking over a few of the cities (and eventually, your own vault), but it was somewhat buggy and they dropped it in a later patch.

Grunker
Well, I would say it has way more to do with Fallout than, say, D&D. Still, it is a pity we didn't get a GURPS game yet.:cry:
 
Self-Ejected

Excidium

P. banal
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Messages
13,696
Location
Third World
Fallout has nothing to with GURPS, sadly. I was supposed to, but for different reasons they switched to their own abomination, S.P.E.C.I.A.L.
I don't think Fallout would benefit much from using GURPS, anyway. They did a poor job of implementing even their own rules, most of the skills you would deem important in a PA setting are a waste of points.

Also, GURPSGURPSGURPSGURPSGURPS
:lol:
 

Grunker

RPG Codex Ghost
Patron
Joined
Oct 19, 2009
Messages
27,386
Location
Copenhagen
Grunker
Well, I would say it has way more to do with Fallout than, say, D&D. Still, it is a pity we didn't get a GURPS game yet.:cry:

Besides being SPECIAL being class-less, I think it and D&D have about as much in common with GURPS as the other.
 

IronicNeurotic

Arbiter
Joined
Dec 2, 2010
Messages
1,110
Tigranes & Co. You guys should really watch the GDC presentation again. He specifically adressed that (Even though he mixed the mutant army and the timer up). The mutant army taking over was taken out because it was more annoying than anything.

I'm pretty sure the time limit still exists in the game.
 

crojipjip

Developer
Übermensch
Joined
Jan 11, 2012
Messages
4,253
Tigranes & Co. You guys should really watch the GDC presentation again. He specifically adressed that (Even though he mixed the mutant army and the timer up). The mutant army taking over was taken out because it was more annoying than anything.

I'm pretty sure the time limit still exists in the game.
what the fuck. i thought i was just hearing things wrong in the GDC talk. the timer business existed for me when i played fallout 1. same for the mutant army taking over. prosper's losses:

-doing nothing, vault thirst or mutants punch on overseer head. whichever came first.
-find vault chip. mutant army averted for a little while, but it still come to punch on head.
-thirst done with, mutant base exploded, mutants still come beat on head.
-thirst done, no mutant beat on head. just kill master left to do. game still ends not win fast enough.


i also feel something really fucked up happen bewteen fallout 2 and tactics. i would cry myself to sleep hoping for at least a level editor. i would dream about make new critter graphics even if they were simply lines facing in different directions. any anything! i never saw the fallout 2 editors. i saw the FOT editor listsed and looked at the fucking article on nma for months. that bitch never linked to what was clearly released programs. fuck you. by 2007 finaly the tools were out for FOT and FO2. I don't know when exactly FOT tools came out but i know i was using them and still wondering where the fuck is my option tom od fallout 1 or 2? bitch you released fallout 2 i want to mod fallout 1. FOT is fallout 3 fucking devil. oh and boom out of no where there were something like 2 years in elementary this cunts made their site unreachable to me alone. their tutorials also poofed out of nowhere. DIE!

Seriously now what was up with NMA? Them bastards head a huge head start were even doing their own critters fuck all for tutorials. when shit actually went down the additional tools to make critters and new art were a bitch to figure out. when i ahd those working it was a bitch to get them in game. at least FOT tools were pleasnt . much more. still sucked and was slow. no fucking speech trees. i thought i could edit them in. WRONG . wheres the fucking speech trees? surely i just need to use what teh devs didn't have time too. wrong. not fucking present bitch.

of all that anger. what brings me to near apocalyptic response ? the fact you bitches here at codex, at dac don't give af uck about fallout. and on nma they only love fallout 2. onyl the russians were bros. they fucking mod all of them. russians added bitching dialog trees FOT. came out like last year. too late even for me. Mr. Wolna if you are reading this i hope you get yoru ass kicked every day. I though you and Mr lexx were my friends. You were douche to me when you go out of prison and now look at where you are again. why hit your girlfriend with hockey stick?

I hope i didn't hurt any codexer's feelings. i wouldn't want to lose potentail modding buddies, or fallout newsposters of mods or modding reviewers. I won't get into Fallout 3 or New Vegas. but damn damn do i hate you all. Listen to your modding spirit be skeptical of yourselves for onces .

If you think my bans on this fallout community sites are numerous you don't half the truth. Every blizzard game, demos included, the forums for which DIE DIE! Maybe I should give up and return to MMOs. Balancing this logics of any chance for nothing and any chance for anything is too much. Just grow up. all of you.
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom