Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Game News Serpent in the Staglands Expansion Announced: A Fool's Banquet + New Ruleset Health & Resting Info

Infinitron

I post news
Staff Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2011
Messages
97,477
Codex Year of the Donut Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Tags: Copper Dreams; Serpent in the Staglands: A Fool's Banquet; Whalenought Studios

In yesterday's Copper Dreams preview video post, Joe & Hannah of Whalenought said they'd soon have news about the Serpent in the Staglands expansion, as well as information about the health and resting mechanics in the company's new Burning Candle ruleset. Turns out that by "soon", they meant "tomorrow". First of all, the expansion, which will be titled A Fool's Banquet. It's a sequel to the Serpent in the Staglands storyline, but it has a new codebase, a new ruleset, and a different focus. The announcement explains:

As we began designing the campaign for A Fool’s Banquet, we had a ton of ideas that we wanted to implement for the expansion and for future games set in this world. While we could have shoehorned some of these into the Staglands engine, we decided to do something drastic and create an entire new engine that was set up to handle all of the new really neat mechanics and optimizations we wanted to ad in. Thus decided, we started designing and have been spending the last few months building a new and improved engine that will have much faster loading times, better performance, has taken user feedback into account and will be able to support a lot of fun new features like larger maps and stealth systems as well as utilize the height of a 3d world. We have a feature list with some highlights listed below. The mechanics will be using a new ruleset that we think you’ll love as well, but the atmosphere, lore, items, characters and, most importantly, your saved games will still be there.

A Fool’s Banquet began with one premise: authentic castles, and heists and infiltration within. Castles are fascinating, with mazes of corridors, intrigue, workers, gorgeous courtyards, and secrets waiting for a good crawl, and to adventure through all that the way we wanted, we’ve created a ton of new systems and put them in a neat package we’re calling the Burning Candle ruleset.

The Burning Candle ruleset has been designed for the Serpent in the Staglands expansion, but will also be used on our new cyberpunk game, Copper Dreams, and you can see a preview of some of the mechanics and alpha art in action here. Right off the bat you might notice a few differences, one being the game is 3d. While we love pixel art, the move to 3d is necessary to create the interesting tactics that come from height and stealth, and opens up a lot mechanics that aren’t available in a low resolution 2d game, like more accessibility in controls, UI and text. To keep the aesthetic as similar as possible and something we’ll continue to enjoy working on, we’ve chosen a 3d style that utilizes the same filterless textures as pixel art, and are really happy with how it’s turning out. We’ll have some images throughout the year for you to check out the new Vol, now in full 3d!
And here's the post about the new ruleset's health and resting mechanics, which are very different from those of most other RPGs. An excerpt:

Instead of HP points, we’ll be using stackable ailments, which are the result of D8 die rolls that vary based on your weapon. The ailments fall into three categories, lesser, greater and mortal, each with its own cap that is increased or decreased by character creation stats. For example, a player might have 12 lesser ailment slots, 6 greater ailment slots, and 3 mortal ailment slots. If any of those three categories reach the cap, a player falls unconscious, and the next ailment in any category will result in death. NPCs have slightly different rules, dying immediately if a category is full instead of falling unconscious.

These ailments vary based on the weapon or projectile that is dealing damage, and require different kits to heal different types of damage. Burns from a grenade can’t be healed by the same kit that would clean up a puncture wound. Magic items can augment ailments with magical properties or roll an additional magic D8 with its own dynamic table of injuries — a fire sword not only could cause various slash damages, but it could also scald to incinerate flesh and bone.

These ailments do not just inch you closer to death’s doorway, but also decrease your stats until heal, simulating the weakness that your player should feel if they are fighting with a few bullets in their legs, a broken kneecap and a minor concussion. Stat decreases will vary based on the ailment category and body location. Arm injuries will hurt aim while a head injury impacts logic and mental stability.

Most lesser ailments disappear at the end of a round of combat or after a certain number of actions, while greater ones can be healed and mortal ailments require the aid of resting station.

One of the things we liked best about this system is taking away the abstraction of hit points and being able to put a mental image to the risks and dangers of combat. Getting hit with 8 damage doesn’t mean much, but the pain of a punctured lung is easy enough to imagine, and certainly more enjoyable to inflict.​

See the full post for information about resting, as well as two preliminary Copper Dreams screenshots. In addition, Unity load time haters will be thrilled to learn that improving load times is a particular focus of the new Burning Candle codebase. After all, getting hit with all these harsh ailments is bound to trigger lots of players' save scumming instincts.
 
Weasel
Joined
Dec 14, 2012
Messages
1,865,661
In addition, Unity load time haters will be thrilled to learn that improving load times is a particular focus of the new Burning Candle codebase. After all, getting hit with all these harsh ailments is bound to trigger lots of players' save scumming instincts.

To me, it seems like the sort of system where I'd want to soldier on, reloading as seldom as possible. Sounds interesting.
 

mediocrepoet

Philosoraptor in Residence
Patron
Joined
Sep 30, 2009
Messages
11,910
Location
Combatfag: Gold box / Pathfinder
Codex 2012 Codex+ Now Streaming! MCA Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
Oh man, this sounds like the sort of stuff I figured CRPGs would turn into years ago with increased processing power and the ability to keep records and timers. Instead we got lonely person sex simulators and games dropping RPG mechanics altogether.

I want to believe! :bounce:
 

Jaesun

Fabulous Ex-Moderator
Patron
Joined
May 14, 2004
Messages
37,256
Location
Seattle, WA USA
MCA
Considering the game didn't sell THAT well, the amount of time and money to do that is time better spent on the new game (and expansion).
 

DeepOcean

Arcane
Joined
Nov 8, 2012
Messages
7,395
I dunno what will be more fun, playing the game or watching the salty tears of the OCD save scummers on RPGwatch, NeoGaf or SomethingAwful. Guess without a developer to protect them from their OCD, they will have a breakdown.
 

ArchAngel

Arcane
Joined
Mar 16, 2015
Messages
20,033
I hate playing super realistic PnP mostly because it turns into so much mechanics and math in the end. Also it is usually very deadly and you cannot load game in PnP :D

But I have waited a while for a cRPG that will go this route. I hope they don't fuck this up, this might be a best cRPG yet.
 

Drudkh

Learned
Joined
Nov 2, 2015
Messages
111
This damn beautiful franchise needed a new combat system, i'm excited to see how it turns out.
 

Tao

Savant
Joined
Sep 13, 2015
Messages
346
God know i tried, dunno if i'm tainted with so much decline over the years but i couldn't go beyond 2-3h into the first one. The combat was weird as fuck with that realtime system, maybe starting with a magic center char is never wise...

Ill try again in a few weeks to celebrate the good news. A pity they didn't sell so well.
 

Fenix

Arcane
Vatnik
Joined
Jul 18, 2015
Messages
6,458
Location
Russia atchoum!
I read article and... Look! Do you feel it?
It is a fresh breeze, that gently touches your face, do you feel it?
A wind of change, the promise of an oasis in the desert...
 

Diggfinger

Arcane
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Messages
1,202
Location
Belgium
Very surprised that we get standalone expansion with new engine. Gonna be like Sits 2.

Wondering about timeline...is still supposed to come out before Copper Dreams?
 
Self-Ejected

Lurker King

Self-Ejected
The Real Fanboy
Joined
Jan 21, 2015
Messages
1,865,419
:greatjob:

Everything looks great. I only hope that these games will not be filled with bugs.
 

getter77

Augur
Joined
Oct 12, 2008
Messages
861
Location
GA, USA
Probably the best surprise announcement as far as an indie outfit and expansion wranglings go since all the Shadowrun Returns happenings---a bold move with an eye for a better future, making use of what gains they can wrangled anew and not taking things for granted.
 

Nihiliste

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Jan 16, 2014
Messages
2,998
Pretty excited about this. SitS captured my heart with its premise, and I enjoyed it alot until the shine of the game existing gave way to fatigue with the combat system. More games in the setting with an improved combat system is just what the doctor ordered.
 

MrBuzzKill

Arcane
Joined
Aug 31, 2013
Messages
655
How can they have an expansion use a different combat system than the original? I'm not sure what "standalone" means, does this mean it won't require the original game disc?
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom