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I average above 120 APM on Heroes of Newerth but that's a single-unit 'strategy' game. Well, often less than 120 though because it's not often I play seriously.

In SCII? Probably around 80-90 because I don't even know all the hotkeys yet :D
 

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apm doesn't mean enything except micro heavy situations :<
 

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Yeah. Looking at that screen, it seems they're just showing off for the cameras. In reality they build stuff clicking the mouse and shit. And they only build one base.
 

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Saw nothing that amazing. But couldn't be bothered watching the whole video since all this "OH MAN I'M A GAMER WITH AN HONOURCODE" kinda sucks.

Still: All about training. As soon as you don't think about what you are doing, you can achiev some crazy speed.

Would I ever beat one of them? No never. Do I care? No never.

Whats with all this progamer obsession. I never heard someone tell a football playing kid "R00FLES! RONALDO CAN SHOOT WITH LIGHTSPEED! U WILL NEVAR BE AS GOOD!".
 

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Awor Szurkrarz said:
What the fuck is the deal with Asians and their perfectionism?

Fucking other races, always doing too much or too little of something. Burn the bastards out!
 
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I'm more interested in learning how and why they do it. Perfectionism can be useful. Sometimes.
 
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I don't understand people who can practice one thing for 10 hours a day. Or 2 hours a day while we're at it.
How do they do that?
 

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chzr said:
apm doesn't mean enything except micro heavy situations :<

No macro requires allot of apm, that is actually main reason why you don't need as much apm for SC2. In SC you have to multitask so there are almost alweys new actions that you would benefit from, even the best player have to decide if they will focus more on the battle or on they production/making expansion, they must also predict how the battle will play out, and often switch screen to they base when they think that it is worth it even in the middle of it. That is mainly why better players were crying over streamlining the macro (selecting multiple buildings with one key).
 

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Kraszu said:
No macro requires allot of apm, that is actually main reason why you don't need as much apm for SC2. In SC you have to multitask so there are almost alweys new actions that you would benefit from, even the best player have to decide if they will focus more on the battle or on they production/making expansion, they must also predict how the battle will play out, and often switch screen to they base when they think that it is worth it even in the middle of it. That is mainly why better players were crying over streamlining the macro (selecting multiple buildings with one key).

and rally points for workers... you're right, but we're saying similar thing. you say high apm is needed for macro because you need to manage your bases, i say you need higher apm for situations when you need to manage base and a battle. Still, my point was that it's more important what actions you do and after that how many.
 
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Awor Szurkrarz said:
I don't understand people who can practice one thing for 10 hours a day. Or 2 hours a day while we're at it.
How do they do that?

There was a pro-SC regimen posted online somewhere in the teamliquid threads. Its not strictly 10 hours of playing, something like 6 hours, with about 2 hour runs of playing. The rest is broken up discussing strategy and builds with other players, watching replays of other pro games (especially important players you are set to play soon), etc.

2 hours a day is hardly much. High school sports teams practice for that long, and they are amateurs. I've never really straight up 'practiced' for a competitive gaming career, but if I'm going to be in a tournament 2 hours of play a day in the week before is not at all unusual.
 
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I was talking more about the perfectionism thingie than gaming. There are tons of crazily skilled artists from Asia on sites like DeviantArt.
 
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Awor Szurkrarz said:
I was talking more about the perfectionism thingie than gaming. There are tons of crazily skilled artists from Asia on sites like DeviantArt.

Probably has something to do with the fact that Asia has 60% of the world population, compared to about 15-20% in western countries. A lot bigger pool gives you much more examples of high talent.
 

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I've beaten Korean SC players. True story.

My APM is about 180-200 but half of that is just spamming (effective APM is about 100).
 
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Of course there are beatable korean players. There are tons of casuals who play no more then you and are no better then you. Its the top tier pros that are pretty much untouchable by foreigners. Korean pros are impressed when the best American or Euro players can take a single game off them in a best of 3.
 
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Overweight Manatee said:
Awor Szurkrarz said:
I was talking more about the perfectionism thingie than gaming. There are tons of crazily skilled artists from Asia on sites like DeviantArt.

Probably has something to do with the fact that Asia has 60% of the world population, compared to about 15-20% in western countries. A lot bigger pool gives you much more examples of high talent.
I'm more interested in how they manage to spend so much time working on their skills. I suspect that it has something to do with their cultures.
I don't think I've seen much of talent in their works anyway.
 

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Mighty Mouse said:
A commenter compared this to playing the piano, any musicians with comments?
Physically, it's similar. But there's not as much multitasking involved. Which is why I suck at Starcraft.

I'm more interested in how they manage to spend so much time working on their skills. I suspect that it has something to do with their cultures.
I don't think I've seen much of talent in their works anyway.
Yeah, it's the community culture thing. We're/they're (my family's pretty Americanized, so..) brutally conditioned as children that the best thing in life is to please others, and usually this is to some objective standard. Kinda like robots, I guess. Thus self-pleasure means a lot less.
 

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Mighty Mouse said:
A commenter compared this to playing the piano, any musicians with comments?
I'm not a musician but I don't see how you can compare the two. RTS games are not just about clicking buttons really fast in a specific pattern. In terms of just hand dexterity, I'm sure really skilled painists pull off much more complex/difficult hand movements at a much faster speed. But RTS games involve reacting to what the opponent is doing, and to have that kind of dexterity when most of it is purely reactive is very diffierent from playing music and extremely impressive in its own right.
 

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