Official Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

X-COM XCOM 2 + War of the Chosen Expansion Thread

Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by Morgoth, May 26, 2015.

  1. Mazisky Arbiter

    Mazisky
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,164
    Location:
    Rome, IT
    Click here and disable ads!
    Longwar 2 was financed by the 2k evil publisher that everyone hate so much. They did that only to praise the same few hardcore crybabies that still shitpost about them, and they gave it for free. I guess it wasn't enough for those ugly fat princesses of my dick.

    As i said, it's just the internet character they wanna show, nothing else.

    I'm glad that Xcom franchise is in the hands of Firaxis.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • retadred retadred x 1
    • what? what? x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. ArchAngel Magister

    ArchAngel
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2015
    Parrots:
    9,349
    And then they "borrowed" some of the ideas from LW2, cut the support and made a worse expansion. Yea, such good company and designers LOL. All they are good for is making the base game and allowing modders to fix it. Kind of like Bethesda.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. Mazisky Arbiter

    Mazisky
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,164
    Location:
    Rome, IT
    That's your opinion, i think (and many with me considering steam reviews) that Wotc is a really good old style expansion. If you and few others didn't like it it's not devs fault. Deal with it.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. ArchAngel Magister

    ArchAngel
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2015
    Parrots:
    9,349
    Did you miss a forum or something? By that logic Skyrim is best game ever and Avatar is best movie ever. Casual know shit about good games or mechanics or movies.

    I value the opinion of Steam review casuals about as much as I value a diarrhea
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    • Bad Spelling Bad Spelling x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. Mazisky Arbiter

    Mazisky
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,164
    Location:
    Rome, IT
    Steam reviews may be flawed, but so are the forum shitposting full of butthurt people who just shit on everything. So why one should consider forums opinion either?
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. cvv Arcane Patron

    cvv
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2013
    Parrots:
    10,439
    Well if everything is shit....
     
    • Fabulously Optimistic Fabulously Optimistic x 2
    • Whatever shit you posted didn't load Whatever shit you posted didn't load x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. ArchAngel Magister

    ArchAngel
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2015
    Parrots:
    9,349
    Because most people gravitate to places where similar people come. Since I don't trust opinion of random casuals from Steam, gaming sites or RPGWatch, I am here where people that enjoy more complex mechanics come.
    Why are you here?
     
    ^ Top  
  8. Mazisky Arbiter

    Mazisky
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,164
    Location:
    Rome, IT
    Still, it doesn't mean that people that enjoy more complex mechanics have better opinion or can't shitpos, in this forum i've read so many random shit comments without any argument so....not better than any random metacritic\steam user.

    i'm here because i play pc games since 1993 and this place is heavy pc oriented.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. Space Satan Arcane

    Space Satan
    Joined:
    May 13, 2013
    Parrots:
    3,631
    Location:
    Space Hell
    I doubt next DLC will be DLC. In the end of WotC they teased what is coming next and if they are going to release Terror from the Deep DLC then it should be a sequel.
    It should be a whole new game as Ethereals would be defeated, all factions freed and Earth is rebuilding and fending off some aquatic psi-menace. Virtually all mechanics should be either reworked or replaced. Best option as I see it is mopping opertions against ADVENT remnants, given how they still remained a force to be reconed with.
     
    ^ Top  
  10. cvv Arcane Patron

    cvv
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2013
    Parrots:
    10,439
    Knowing Firaxis they'll meet you half way. It'll be a DLC for the price of a whole new game.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    Average Manatee
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Parrots:
    9,194
    Could be a whole new game with the content of a DLC.
     
    • Despair Despair x 1
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. Freddie Learned

    Freddie
    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2016
    Parrots:
    635
    Location:
    Mansion
    While I agree that Firaxis/2K revived the genre, the best thing is that there is competition. I don't think it's all good / all bad kind of situation and to degree choices in art direction for example, are a matter of individual taste.

    However DLC was buggy, even on consoles there were players who needed to wait patch for game stopping bugs for months. It was IMO overpriced for what it was, which IMO comes more apparent if you imagine it without voice acting and cutscenes revolving around major villains, etc. non playable content. Engine fixes were not delivered to base game, even though same engine was used, which IMO tells a lot of how important Firaxis/2K considers long term support.

    Re-imagined XCOM made things possible and myself I found them sort of fun, but really let's hope Phoenix Point for example is going to be a better game.
     
    ^ Top  
  13. Mortmal Arcane

    Mortmal
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2009
    Parrots:
    4,581
    Most likely alas, i was shocked at the price of war of chosen, it should have been sold as stand alone.Next one will be terror from the deep i suppose.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • incline incline x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Mazisky Arbiter

    Mazisky
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Parrots:
    1,164
    Location:
    Rome, IT
    Buggy? Sure
    Weird art direction? Agree
    Overpriced DLC? A bit

    Still, is the best turn based game of modern days.

    Yeah, competition is nice, i hope many TB games will be released
     
    ^ Top  
  15. Space Satan Arcane

    Space Satan
    Joined:
    May 13, 2013
    Parrots:
    3,631
    Location:
    Space Hell
    I'd say i am not happy with the course of Xcom2 and its timer abomination but I can't deny that Firaxis revitalized the genre. At least they said in stream that they realized how awful timer introduction was.
     
    ^ Top  
  16. Fedora Master Arbiter

    Fedora Master
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Parrots:
    1,101
    Firaxis shat up both Civ and XCOM and completely removed them from their roots. nu-XCOM was a fluke, which they themselves admitted and now they are desperately trying to chase said fluke. People didn't enjoy nu-XCOM because it was particularly good, they just like it because they were starved for turn based games. This isn't the first time this happened to a new game either, look at Dragon Age. Is it a good RPG? Not really but it came out at a time when the market was starved for RPGs. Heck, the very same happened with Baldur's Fucking Gate way back when.

    UFO was about managing resources more than it was about risk avoidance. XCOM is nothing BUT risk avoidance, which comes down to playing the RNG. That's why the go-to approach was overwatch hopping, which they took away with timers. This just goes to show how little they actually understand about the games they work on. Do I even need to mention the abomination that is Civ6?

    e: You know what UFO also wasn't about? Listenting to endless [​IMG] from some alien bitches.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. Space Satan Arcane

    Space Satan
    Joined:
    May 13, 2013
    Parrots:
    3,631
    Location:
    Space Hell
    I'd rather play nuXCom and XCom2 than wait years for ideal turn-based game to arrive.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    ^ Top  
  18. Fedora Master Arbiter

    Fedora Master
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Parrots:
    1,101
    OpenXCOM exists.
     
    ^ Top  
  19. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

    Galdred
    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Parrots:
    2,201
    Location:
    Middle Empire
    Divinity: Original Sin 2
    That is a very good point, but I think if they had tried to get the feel of the older one, we might have had an abomination. At least, the new one is different enough that it doesn't feel like an uncanny valley clone of the older one.

    But that would also defeat the idea of a faithful remake: it is not like they would make it better than the original either.


    I don't think they could have made a timeless classic like the original. I think I would be much more irritated by the game if they tried to stay faithful to it. Remaking a classic is as uselessas remaking a good movie (cf Robocop) IMO.

    At least, XCOM and X-COM only share most of the name.
     
    ^ Top  
  20. Fedora Master Arbiter

    Fedora Master
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2017
    Parrots:
    1,101
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to piss on nu-COM. I enjoyed the first one a lot but this iteration was just a lot of BS to me and I have no hope that Firaxis will improve. Hell, the fact that they support the game at all still is a surprise to me. They aren't exactly known for long term support.

    e: I think this story exemplifies the fundamental differences between old- and nu-COM quite well. It derives from just a coincidental name on a random rookie and luck. A single soldier in nu-COM would never be able to do any of that.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • nice nice x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. lightbane Arcane

    lightbane
    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2008
    Parrots:
    5,951
    Location:
    Neverwhere
    I have a mod for you: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1137638215

    To be fair though, I like The Hunter's comments, he's quite Codexian in behaviour and his awkward mini-pauses and reprhasings when he boasts that he'll kill your soldiers with one shot and fail to do so where funny (at one point he outright stated "You weren't supposed to survive that!").

    Avoid mods that increase enemy pods' size though, I made that mistkae to compensate for a bigger player squad, but the result is that maps inevitably become giant arenas with dozens of ayylens shoved together into cramped positions activating all at once (even the Lost at some points, making things turn into instant bloodbaths). That problem is made worse if you have the MOCX mod or things like that, as that one also adds even more units to the map.
     
    ^ Top  
  22. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

    Galdred
    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Parrots:
    2,201
    Location:
    Middle Empire
    Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Indeed, the new one being much gamier and "controlled", it makes it much harder to generate original stories inside its framework.
    That said, given the lifespan of a "scout" in the older X-COM, most would never have the occasion to shine like this :D
     
    ^ Top  
  23. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    LESS T_T
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2012
    Parrots:
    7,456
    Codex 2014
    XCOM retrospective livestream with Jake Solomon in few hours, with "a few surprises": https://steamcommunity.com/games/268500/announcements/detail/1710695726760471762

     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  24. Space Satan Arcane

    Space Satan
    Joined:
    May 13, 2013
    Parrots:
    3,631
    Location:
    Space Hell
    What I expect:
    XCom online card game
    XCom new console ports
    XCom Definitive Diamond edition
     
    • hopw roewur ne hopw roewur ne x 1
    ^ Top  
  25. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    LESS T_T
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2012
    Parrots:
    7,456
    Codex 2014
    Looks like this stream is just a start of events and announcements over "the next couple of weeks."



    Switch port, of course.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  

(buying stuff via the above buttons helps us pay the hosting bills, thanks!)