Wonder Woman Gets Double Mastectomy! Also Jews, Greeks, etc.

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If you want to be anal, then they should've cast a Greek, or perhaps even a Turk. The Amazons of Themiscyra (speaking of real history/mythology) didn't come from Western or Northern Europe. She definitely wouldn't be Germanic or Anglo-Saxon.

 

Yes but the genetic makeup of that region is significantly more brown today than in antiquity.

 

In Hollywood!?!

 

So look towards Eastern Europe then, to where the ancient Greeks tended to migrate more-so than to the west (exception, Italy) or to the north. Anglo-Saxons and Germanics don't have a Hellenic/Mediterranean facial structure.

 

Are we going to start with the whole "modern greeks are crypto-turks/slavs/mongols/generic brownies we don't like today" meme once again?

 

Is it not true that overwhelming evidence suggests the ancient Greeks had high incidence of blonde hair and blue eyes?
Do the statues the ancient Greeks made of their heroes and statesmen not look identical to Nordic peoples?
Is it not true that Celtic and Germanic tribes occupied the regions immediately adjacent to Greece?

With this much evidence, I really wonder what possible argument there could be against the also widely documented move of Huns, Avars, Turks etc etc into regions formerly inhabited by Nordic peoples?

As we all know, once two tribes exist in close proximity interbreeding is inevitable.

 

In before racial revisionists.

 

I think it's of popular belief that the Macedonians were blonde hair and blue eyed, and there's good amount of evidence that the Spartans were similar, but I don't know about evidence saying this for all of Greece.

My own research seems to show there was interbreeding, but it varied geographically from North to South. Macedonia, Thebes, Sparta, those areas were predominantly Nordic; areas around Athens were darker and Mediterranean; and between would be a mix.

http://www.amren.com/ar/2010/10/index.html

However, I also did a little more research into where the theoretical home of the Amazons, Themyscira, was located, and it wasn't even in the Grecian peninsula. It was located in the region Pontus, which was in Northeastern Anatolia.



They may have come from Scythia before that, but by the time during which Greek legends were set (Hercules, for example), they were settled in Themyscira.

 

Macedonia is to the north of Greece while Sparta is the extreme south. But again, if they were Turkic or Avars or whatever, why would all likenesses look like Nordic people? This is as silly as the Sub Sahara Africans being the original Egyptians argument. And you should know it for the left baked fallacy it is.

There is no doubt there was always interbreeding. But it's obvious the typical Athenian Greek and especially their statesmen were of Nordic origin. We have a lot of artwork to confirm this.

If course, if you put face black on Socrates a strong case could be made for jungle fever in that line.

The peoples from the sea were an obviously Nordic people who settled all around the Mediterranean but focused in the middle east. The map above is from an era after Alexander the Great's conquests. Classical Greece was long done by then and the era before classical Greece is where to look if you want to find out who was living there during their rise. Scythia and the Isle of Lesbos are two recurring places for Amazons of legend. The Aryans (for which Iran is named) were a real people from prehistory who apparently settled an area from Greece in the west to India and perhaps even extreme western China in the east. They left a remarkable impact everywhere they were.

Just for curiosities sake, what do you tthnk the Ancient Greeks and possible Amazons looked like?

Turkmen?
Arabs?
Negroes?
Chinese?

 

Like Mexicans.

 

Oh no you di'int

 

Mediterraneans != Turkic or Avars. Learn your racial subtypes. Europeans were divided into: Teutonic/Nordic, Alpine/Celtic, and Mediterranean.

Their statesmen, probably, but the typical Greek more improbably.

It's almost like I said they were from Scythia...

Yes, and Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans are all subtypes of Aryans.

Well, according to a Nordicist:

Ancient Greeks: A mixture of Nordics and Mediterraneans. I suspect the majority of the populace were more pronounced Mediterranean but the elites were more Nordic. On the other hand a paper from 1944 suggests the Greeks were a mix of almost everything: http://eurekamag.com/research/029/762/029762071.php
Amazons: While Scythian, specifically the theory is that they were on the Sarmatian edge of Scythia, so possibly a mix of Nordics and Alpines.

 

No. Turks and Avars came from over a thousand miles to the East of the Mediterranean. The current Mediterranean type is a product of the mixing of these people with those who were there when they moved into the region. The current Mediterranean type is quite different than those who lived in antiquity. There are lots of maps available if you are confused.

And everyone else of note. Just a coincidence? You really believe that?

If so, why in an ancient democracy would the vote always go to someone from a race that was the exception rather than the norm among voters?

I was referring to your map and I think you know I was.

This map has Britain populated by Mediterraneans before the Roman conquest and Persians the same as alpines.

There are much better maps based more on historical evidence and less on pet theories.

 

"!=" means not equal.

Because the Greeks as a whole believed blond hair to be a beautiful and a sign of greatness.

And right after the map I said they may have been from Scythia. You can refer to my map all you want, but then you'd be nitpicking a picture out of context.

(A) It's from a book that "was immensely popular and went through multiple printings in the United States, and was translated into a number of other languages, notably German in 1925. By 1937 the book had sold 16,000 copies in the United States alone. Nordic theory was strongly embraced by the racial hygiene movement in Germany in the early 1920s and 1930s; however, they typically used the term "Aryan" instead of "Nordic", though the principal Nazi ideologist, Alfred Rosenberg, preferred "Aryo-Nordic" or "Nordic-Atlantean". Stephen Jay Gould described The Passing of the Great Race as "The most influential tract of American scientific racism."[citation needed] Grant's work was embraced by proponents of the National Socialist movement in Germany; Passing was the first non-German book ordered to be reprinted by the Nazis when they took power, and Adolf Hitler wrote to Grant that, "The book is my Bible."[12]"

B) How's about you provide some sources and maps instead of just saying "you're wrong" "you're wrong" "you really believe that?" "you're wrong."

 

Well this thread went pretty /gd/.

 

Yes, and I'm saying the Avaric and Turkic influence (Alans, Mongols etc) came much later so to look at a modern Mediterranean and believe that is what they always looked like ignores all available data.

Yes, and so do modern Iranians. But where do you think they got that from? More importantly why is EVERY hero, statesman, artist, philosopher depicted with Nordic features? Were the rank and file Greeks self loathing mud people?

The context is the traditional racial makeup of Classical Greeks. Your pointing to a map that reflects the way it was well after this time is precisely what is wrong with your line of argument. You seem to assume the population that resides there now is even similar to that which existed in antiquity.

Exactly! Hitler's association and proven fabrication of 'evidence' did more damage to the study of racial origins particularly as it pertains to Aryans than perhaps any other event this side of the burning of the Library at Alexandria.

I've now looked three times for any map that outlines tribal movements in prehistory to ancient times and I am comming up blank. I don't even care if they correspond to the many books I have on the subject. I simply cannot find aything on the subject.

My web fu fails me.

But Anchor has several books on the subject. If you can find one of these you'll see what I mean. They illusttrate various regions and the tribes that occupied hem at various points in history.

 

It's not like it was destined to really go anywhere regardless.

 

And when I say "Mediterraneans != Turkic or Avars" that means that they didn't look like Avars and Turks.

Well, they had a widespread custom of dyeing their hair blond.

You seem to assume that I assume silly things. I was pointing out that the Amazons stayed in northeastern Anatolia, which was a fair distance from the Greek peninsula and from Nordic tribes. From that I would assume they would be more classical Mediterranean, or perhaps Proto-Greek, rather than Nordic. However, I then admitted that they may have been from Scythia, and I already made my assumptions based on that in a previous post, based on a map you say is faulty.

I'll take a look. Do you remember any names of the books?

 

Ok, then what do you tthink they DID look like?

Basques?

It's a well documented fact that the people who settled in Ancient Greece and Anatolia (including the islands between) were from the north. They unfortunately don't say more than that but the prehistory of Greece includes the existing Minoan peoples being displaced and or wiped out by an invader from the north (The Mycaneans) it is from these people that Greeks of antiquity appear. They were also very partticular about who was a Greek and who was not and wrote extensively about it as soon as they could write. So it seems improbable - to me at least - that a whole culture of people would exist with a minority race as the elites. And nothing in any record suggests this.

To attempt to look like an entirely different race? I think this would have been unlikely at best.

Again, the Hellenosphere (if you will) encompassed the entire Agean Sea area. It was permeated by Greek peoples. That said, the Scythians were a separate people who's ethnicity is far less obvious than ancient Greeks.

Sure, the Anchor Atlas World History Vol1 is a very good start. It is small, cheap and very well illustrated. I tried to Google something from this book but only got an Amazon link. Penguin also has a pretty cool series of map books as do several other publishers. I can't remember the first leather-bound book I had because my brother 'borrowed' it from me decades ago and I haven't seen it since.

http://www.amazon.com/Anchor-Atlas-World-History-Vol/dp/B000KXLHC2

 

Here I was, enjoying some tits, and all of sudden the thread turns into some shitfest about racial purity. Fucking codex

 

I'm just going to assume the last few pages are snowniggers getting mad about Semites being hotter than they are.

 

It wouldn't be The Codex if it didn't.

 

Hotter lol