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Delterius

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If I made a game or class based around Necromancy I wouldn't necessarily focus on masses of zombies or skeletons. Archetypical, sure, but those are nameless and kinda boring. Interesting enough for a war game but not an RPG, IMO. Better to focus on single undead at a time and the history behind them. A Wraith could be bound by the gruesome torture and murder of an innocent child. A Skeleton built from the hallowed bones of a dozen priests, martyrs who died inside a church during war. Ghouls could be expressions of recent deaths by famine. And so on.
 
Lacrymas

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RatTower said:
Maybe in Diablo 2, but I'm not sure if I'd be happy with skeletons pulling everything in sight in a game like Dark Souls or Temple of the Elemental Evil.
You need at least minimal control over the AI like the mentioned aggressive/defensive mode. That could just be one button.
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Yeah, a defensive/aggressive/passive button is a necessity, but even hack and slashers have those now. They even have an "attack this" button. ToEE is turn-based, so that's completely different. Dark Souls and its myriad of copies aren't really built around any kind of pet classes.

Delterius said:
If I made a game or class based around Necromancy I wouldn't necessarily focus on masses of zombies or skeletons. Archetypical, sure, but those are nameless and kinda boring. Interesting enough for a war game but not an RPG, IMO. Better to focus on single undead at a time and the history behind them. A Wraith could be bound by the gruesome torture and murder of an innocent child. A Skeleton built from the hallowed bones of a dozen priests, martyrs who died inside a church during war. Ghouls could be expressions of recent deaths by famine. And so on.
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That's what I'm trying to avoid. This is just a single-pet class, but with an undead as a minion. We have plenty of those.
 
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Lacrymas said:
Delterius said:
If I made a game or class based around Necromancy I wouldn't necessarily focus on masses of zombies or skeletons. Archetypical, sure, but those are nameless and kinda boring. Interesting enough for a war game but not an RPG, IMO. Better to focus on single undead at a time and the history behind them. A Wraith could be bound by the gruesome torture and murder of an innocent child. A Skeleton built from the hallowed bones of a dozen priests, martyrs who died inside a church during war. Ghouls could be expressions of recent deaths by famine. And so on.
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That's what I'm trying to avoid. This is just a single-pet class, but with an undead as a minion. We have plenty of those.
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Not necessarily a single pet class. An approach for quality still allows for multiple pets, just not the horde type of thing. See Paper Sorcerer.
 
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Grim Dawn will get a Necromancer, probably in the expansion.

D3 also gets one, but we don't talk about that here.
 
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In heroes of annihilated empires you can pick a necromancer (in skirmish, I'm not sure if you can find the spells in the main campaign) and summon skele's from corpses (and maybe some other undead based units); though they don't last forever.
 
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Pet classes are typically trash tier because of ~balance~, and the ability either exists as a supplemental to a mage/fighter/thief on a game which doesn't care about such things as classes, or the necro is nerfed on survivability somehow or the 'pet' is single instance only

Speaking of that, Divinity 2 has a upgradable necro pet.

For massive amounts of skeletons i guess you could play a fantasy strategy, of which there are many... AoW series, Dragon Commander, Dominions etc.
 
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My team has the sexiest and deadliest waifus you can recruit.
Summons as a concept tend to be either overpowered or underpowered in RPG's since they tend to fill a similar role as something else, but they either do it with less risk and resource management or significantly more.
 
Lacrymas

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I'd make permanent summons take up a party slot and be as powerful as a companion. Have unique summons/undead (maybe from quests?) you can fill up your party with if you want, some Necro themed spells for the PC and gg. Yeah, you give up on some/all of the companions, but that might simulate their lack of desire to travel with a necromancer. Have one companion who is willing to travel with you even if you fill all the other slots with undead.
 
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