Incline Wasteland 2 Discussion Thread

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Four pillars? BIOWARE ALERT

Pretty much. It's not like we didn't have Fallout 2, which was loaded with retarded shit. The concerns are justified.

I dont know... i dont have much concerns about that, probably because ive gotten use to how that issue is handled by IT.
And again Fargo and majority of devs at inXile have plenty of experience with this type of thing too.

I got to say that easter eggs in Fallout 2 never seemed too much for me, but thats partly because i wasnt getting some minor ones or because i played that game first and then Fallout years latter, so i wasnt indoctrinated by the first more somber setting.
And seeing easter eggs as remnants or shards of the old world history after its apocalypse seemed logical. Even so i dont see any of them as retarded shit.
Thats just personal view of some.

Even - even so, quality over quantity should be established.

Nobody did. I just noted this thread was not, in my view, a good idea, and did exacerbate the problem caused by clashing communities. For some reason several of you turned that into me blaming the Codex. But believe me when I say I don't even think Codexers are the majority in the warnings I sent. Though perhaps they are if you include the anti-Codex trolls.

Oh, and thanks for Andharia. Uuuuggggh. We got Prosper sign too. I blame NMA for both. Flag em when you see em. Prosper's not banned yet, tho. He's not done anything wrong.

But they're not! That's what makes this so weird. You are all reacting to something that's not happening. Every single thread with a patently absurd suggestion like "what about marriage" or "anime style art!" has been succinctly but mostly politely talked down, even if InXile was ever going to listen to them. And InXile needs THAT as well, they need to see when ideas are badly received. All you're going to achieve by trolling/insulting people is for your opinion not to be heard, though. As Twinkie said, that may be a by-product of the thread, it may be its intent, doesn't really matter, I'm just telling you, this wasn't helpful to us doing our job, and singling out people to target as "retards" is definitely wasn't.

Of course, the core point is the mods there haven't been doing our jobs. But we will from now on. And hopefully that'll help quiet down your concerns/need to insult too. It's a two-way road, in many ways.

The best anyone can do is just be active on the forums and vote/talk down bad suggestions. And use the report button. It's important to remember it's not the Codex tho, and just going "newfag", "BioWhore" or "retard" will just get your post removed.

PS: if this game is as good as Fallout 2, all its flaws included, I'll be dancing a jig.

Ehehe. St. Patty's day. Sorry for the rage-induced thread delete. Sober now and glad to see it back. Also: Fuck off, Beekers.

I got warned but well, it was really deserved. Multiple times in fact
but even i snapped after holding out at first and trying to avoid it. (yeah, yeah, im "snapping" here a lot)

Sweet pains of a birth, eh? Its already much better over there.
And reporting or flagging posts actually works now.

“Rage.

Sing, O Muse, of the rage of Achilles, of Peleus’ son, murderous, man-killer, fated to die, sing of the rage that cost the Achaeans so many good men and sent so many vital, hearty souls down to the dreary House of Death. And while you’re at it, Muse, sing of the rage of the gods themselves, so petulant and so powerful here on their new Olympos, and of the rage of the post-humans, dead and gone though they might be, and of the rage of those few true humans left, self-absorbed and useless though they have become. While you are singing, O Muse, sing also of the rage of those thoughtful, sentient, serious but not-so-close-to-human beings out there dreaming under the ice of Europa, dying in the sulfur ash of Io, and being born in the cold folds of Ganymede.

Oh, and sing of me, O Muse, poor born-against-his-will Hockenberry, dead Thomas Hockenberry, Ph.D., Hockenbush to his friends, to friends long since turned to dust on a world long since left behind. Sing of my rage, yes, of my rage, O Muse, small and insignificant though that rage might be when measured against the anger of the immortal gods, or when compared to the wrath of the god-killer Achilles.

On second though, O Muse, sing nothing of me. I know you. I have been bound and servant to you, O Muse, you incomparable bitch. And I do not trust you, O Muse. Not one little bit.”
― Dan Simmons, Ilium

Yeah. Read through the other thread. I actually slightly remember thinking in my rage "I shouldn't have the ability to delete this whole thread..." as I hit the button. So, yeah. That's something I'd change if you can.

To think of it, instead of spending $7k on securing moderatorial priveleges or censorship immunity, then freely trolling and abusing biowhores and bethtards on Wasteland forums into self-mutilation and occasional suicide, you stupid cunts blown it all on some retarded easter egg. Pathetic. You are no better than them.

You can't really buy into moderating privileges or censorship immunity.

Yip, getting there. Still catching up so if there's old shit to flag, do so. Just now got around to banning Ubermensch and removing his threads.

At very least, you could have ordered a basement with a sect of fat homosexual slashfic fantards worshipping a hermaphroditic cult leader named Hamburger-Priestly, who have to be mandatorily slaughtered in the course of the main plot. Better yet, hired some crack addicted nigger to do the same IRL, that would probably end up way cheaper.

Just stick to the game mechanics boards. There's little trolling there, and that's the part that really matters anyway. The writing will be done by inXile and I doubt there's reason to worry about a few nutjobs who want an interactive soap opera

Yeah the Game Mechanics forum is by far the most rational. I stopped reading the Must Include forum a few days ago.

Well... Fallout 2 was a very good game despite the flaws because it was a straight sequel to a great game. Wasteland 2 is a brand new game.

Don't get me wrong. I am craving a good PA game. Besides, there is a lot more at stake here. Fargo succeeds - it opes the door for everyone. He fails - we are all fucked.

However, I don't want to just sit and hope that the game will be great just because the universe owes me at least that much (or because Fallout 2 turned out ok). The best way to help is by criticizing and challenging. No?

Criticizing and challenging is fine as long as codexers can keep themselves from giving in to their base instincts and (rightly) accuse the tards of being tards. That just triggers the "Well, that's just, like, your opinion mate, don't hate on mine just because you have something against people who want a proper roleplaying experience " responses instead of making them understand why their shit is unwanted.

They won't understand.

I know it will hurt my guerrilla bros over there but seriously the best way if you have to engage them at all is to just state as rationally as possible why you think their bullshit feature takes unnecessary resources from the game and is therefore unfeasible on a bang for man-hours buck basis, and then finish with a pithy variation on "I know you believe in what you're saying but this has always been my view on the matter. I'll agree to disagree here."

If they start screaming about discrimination or rose colored glasses and closemindedness or try and bait you by repeating themselves but with more exaggerated points, whatever, let the moderators handle it, the one at fault in these cases will definitely not end up being you.

I don't expect them to. The boards were made so that Fargo and co get feedback from the fanbase, not as a means to enlighten the sheeple.
Just stick to what meltdown said, otherwise it's just counter-productive

Very much so. But tone does matter. The forums got pretty unreadable because of all the retardation and counter-retardation (and again, that is primarily the fault of lax modding), and that just negates all of the feedback rather than tilt the balance either way. What meltdown and Clockwork said is true, it's not really going to work if you give in to frustration. I have been removing threads that went out of line or were too stupid (already got 760 posts in the Retardoland forum. Now that's impressive), so flag em when you see em, otherwise just engage rationally.

One thing I like to do is add polls, like over here and here: http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=349 http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=521
The results of those show there's no real overwhelming threat of retardation taking over. We're not really looking to convert people,but they can make their suggestions. And then they will be talked and voted down. As far as I'm concerned, the forum can function perfectly like that.

True. A few do, but it seems the vast majority cannot fathom the logic as to why ridiculed additions to the game should not take precedence over other aspects.

Of those few who do, they've earned my respect, if not my concurrence. Say what you will about ffordesoon, at least the guy's willing to take a step back to see the other side of the picture. These are the guys who can be turned to our side. The rest, well let's just say I hope they won't be disappointed with the final product eh (assuming Fargo's bro enough to not accede to ridiculous requests)

That's more than reasonable. Polls are a good idea too. At the very least it offers a demographic of who's for/against what, without having to spend time writing a well-thought up post and being replied by people who don't have the decency to put in any effort into reading your post first.

-edit- Btw can we have an indication on the W2 forums to show whether a thread has a poll in it? I don't check threads periodically once I've posted my 2 cents in there, so I may miss it if a poll's being set up days after the thread has started.

Good one. I'll add a [poll added] to subject lines of threads I put them into.

Any idea when Fargo starts talking specifics?

Doubt it'll happen until after the kickstarter is wrapped up.

According to his recent tweets, he is writing vision document as we speak.
I know nothing about developing or planing,so dunno how long it takes...