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KickStarter War of Rights - Historically accurate civil war game using cryengine

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Not a big reason? What, there's only room for sanitized causes for this giant civil war? Man, just look at the declarations of secession.

Even if the north didn't set out to abolish slavery in the South, the southerners obviously felt that the forming of a federal government and the lack of new slave holding states was damaging enough to their society that they had to secceed.

Not to their society, but to their economy. 90% of the federal government was paid for by the southern states while the northern states enjoyed protection from the tariffs. I see that you're focusing solely on slavery while ignoring Lincoln's own words on why he went to war. It was for taxes stupid.
 

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Not to their society, but to their economy. 90% of the federal government was paid for by the southern states while the northern states enjoyed protection from the tariffs. I see that you're focusing solely on slavery while ignoring Lincoln's own words on why he went to war. It was for taxes stupid.
Are you saying that the southerners did not have more than one reason to go to war? Because even as South Carolina also claims the issue of taxation as to the reason for their secession, they also speak of slavery. It is quite obvious the the issue of slavery played a major part in eroding the common american identity that had for quite a few decades avoided the internal conflicts that swarmed most unions south of the border. The southerners themselves say so. You can keep bringing up Lincoln, there's always the cornerstone speech.
 

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Not to their society, but to their economy. 90% of the federal government was paid for by the southern states while the northern states enjoyed protection from the tariffs. I see that you're focusing solely on slavery while ignoring Lincoln's own words on why he went to war. It was for taxes stupid.

Well this is new, apparently the American Civil War was actually the American War of Independence Part II right down to the causes thats a load of bullshit.

The main reason was actually the slaver states fearing loosing control since they would be eventually be outnumbered and the strengthen of Federal powers and Presidential powers, this was simply a case of they had the bizarre idea the US was the UN were they would just leave, the US didnt take kindly over trying to take over FEDERAL installations that was the major Confederate mistake.

Of course Southerns tell a different story, like all LOSERS do (except the Japanese that pretend it never happened) ... but it was just a question of state rights over the increasing centralization of power because in order for the US to function AS A NATION it could not be second guessed by shitholes like Texas because of the whole association of States, it had to centralize power and it could only be at the expense of the states own Independence, Slavery was just the crux of many issues in relation to Federal legislation and created 2 distinct camps.

If Slavery was that important why the fuck did the Confederacy allow it to be abolished it 1864? In fact their stubborn refusal was a major cause of not having any foreign allies since the rest of the world was moving to abolish it, attempting to hold to it because of a moronic sense of racial superiority would have completely sunk the Southern economy when Industrialization come at full swing, we did not as much free slaves as we get something better to replace them.
 
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I know some of you lower end IQs never put much thought into it but them turning to CryEngine would mean they aim to achieve what the Total Wars failed to do after Rome 1. Which would be battle simulationism. The civil war is obviously the easiest to start with.
 
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Well this is new, apparently the American Civil War was actually the American War of Independence Part II right down to the causes thats a load of bullshit.

The main reason was actually the slaver states fearing loosing control since they would be eventually be outnumbered and the strengthen of Federal powers and Presidential powers, this was simply a case of they had the bizarre idea the US was the UN were they would just leave, the US didnt take kindly over trying to take over FEDERAL installations that was the major Confederate mistake.

Of course Southerns tell a different story, like all LOSERS do (except the Japanese that pretend it never happened) ... but it was just a question of state rights over the increasing centralization of power because in order for the US to function AS A NATION it could not be second guessed by shitholes like Texas because of the whole association of States, it had to centralize power and it could only be at the expense of the states own Independence, Slavery was just the crux of many issues in relation to Federal legislation and created 2 distinct camps.

If Slavery was that important why the fuck did the Confederacy allow it to be abolished it 1864? In fact their stubborn refusal was a major cause of not having any foreign allies since the rest of the world was moving to abolish it, attempting to hold to it because of a moronic sense of racial superiority would have completely sunk the Southern economy when Industrialization come at full swing, we did not as much free slaves as we get something better to replace them.

First off the roots of the war go back to war of independence. The south did not really even want independence in the first place. They liked things as they were, an agrarian plantation society. It was the north that wanted independence and that wanted to become a trading and industrial powerhouse. The north hadn't the right climate for the good cash crops like the south, and the south hadn't the resources for industry like in the north.

North did most of the fighting in the war of independence, and pushed for it. Many southern loyalists and some from new england actually left the country to go to cucknada after the war, they were so choked about the outcome.

After the war there was this gigantic war debt, and the south FROM THE START tried to get out of it and absolutely resisted any form of federal government. They wanted each state to have absolute self determination - a republic. Their interests were nothing like the interests of the north. Only because Alexander Hamilton worked very hard to convince them to come on board did they agree to allow any federal taxes AT ALL.

So of course since the south was outnumbered and the whole point of the war was a northern thing and they ALREADY hated the south, the tariff situation was completely reversed. Instead of taxes that put a hardship on mercantile and industrial concerns the taxes were shifted to agricultural exports, and not as anything to do with slaves. They did it because they wanted to become an industrial power and stop being a supplier of raw goods to europe, because in that way they can make much more money. Effectively speaking, if the south wanted to sell anything they had to sell it to the north instead of europe!

The FIRST THING THEY DID once a federal army was established was to set up forts in the south full of soldiers to make sure no one could smuggle any goods out of the ports without paying export excise taxes (which is now unconstitutional, because export tariffs are completely fucking retarded!).

On top of that, the south was forced to stomach a much larger portion of the war debt per capita this way. Again this is punishment for not going along with the war of independence fully in the first place, not to mention staunchly resisting formation of a federal government.

Leading up to the war, Lincoln even promised that there would be a pro-slavery ammendment so long as the south would remain in the union. They didn't even pause to consider the possibility. Lincoln also believed all africans should be sent back to africa, something that is not pimped out by the media very often.

So no, slavery was nothing to do with anything.

It wasn't until hollywood started rewriting history did this idea even occur to anyone.

Edit: the only way that slavery entered into it was to keep the french from entering the war, which is why the slaves were freed - the french wanted to enter the war and make a combined mexico-southern US empire, but they did not want to be seen as supporting slavery over freedom.

This whole thing was another reason for the war and why the south was being punished. The north worked hard to keep france out of north america, and things could easily have gone in a very different direction.
 
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First off the roots of the war go back to war of independence.

Only South Carolina and Georgia could make such claim, the rest were brought up territory from various sources (mainly France and Spain) with Texas being pretty much stolen.

As I said, it could not exist as a nation, the Confederacy would eventually face the same issues down the line, a nation cannot function with a bunch of mini-states second guessing every decision, its impossible to function on the long run ... its IRRELEVANT what they wanted, they COULD NOT function as a nation without centralized government and none have any problems in taking Federal money and using Federal troops to kick out native populations.

And a an agrarian plantation society would not survive the Industrial Revolution, to me it sounds like the Southerns were a bunch of manchilds that lacked any kind of future insignt, they just wanted to live in their fantasy world ... ask Japan how did that go when the Black Ships arrived.
 
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Only South Carolina and Georgia could make such claim, the rest were brought up territory from various sources (mainly France and Spain) with Texas being pretty much stolen.

As I said, it could not exist as a nation, the Confederacy would eventually face the same issues down the line, a nation cannot function with a bunch of mini-states second guessing every decision, its impossible to function on the long run ... its IRRELEVANT what they wanted, they COULD NOT function as a nation without centralized government and none have any problems in taking Federal money and using Federal troops to kick out native populations.

Which is why they eventually went along, but they had no common interests to the north and were being punished in sort of neo-colonialism.

Obviously people who were sold off to the USA like slaves themselves had no reason to want to be part of it, especially since they were themselves treated like a personal colony of the north.

And a an agrarian plantation society would not survive the Industrial Revolution, to me it sounds like the Southerns were a bunch of manchilds that lacked any kind of future insignt, they just wanted to live in their fantasy world ... ask Japan how did that go when the Black Ships arrived.

Again, history could have been much different. South could easily have become part of a mexico-southern new american empire or been allowed to succeed peacefully or simply worn out the north over time, which is what would have happened if north had some shred of sanity.

Instead millions were killed off and the ever growing debt was ensured all for some shitty worthless part of the country that has even less value today in the modern age and the right to let the whole country become flooded with africans. What a great deal all around.
 

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Only South Carolina and Georgia could make such claim, the rest were brought up territory from various sources (mainly France and Spain) with Texas being pretty much stolen.

As I said, it could not exist as a nation, the Confederacy would eventually face the same issues down the line, a nation cannot function with a bunch of mini-states second guessing every decision, its impossible to function on the long run ... its IRRELEVANT what they wanted, they COULD NOT function as a nation without centralized government and none have any problems in taking Federal money and using Federal troops to kick out native populations.

And a an agrarian plantation society would not survive the Industrial Revolution, to me it sounds like the Southerns were a bunch of manchilds that lacked any kind of future insignt, they just wanted to live in their fantasy world ... ask Japan how did that go when the Black Ships arrived.

Actually, it was Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia. With the re-passage of the Northwest Ordinances in 1791, all states that entered the union did so as if they were already created during the ratification of the Articles of Confederation then the Constitution of the United States. Also, the federal government ran just fine under the Articles of Confederation. When the delegates appointed to the Philadelphia Convention they were tasked to come up with amendments to the Articles of the Confederation. By them writing the Constitution they committed treason which is why it was never documented. The south was drug into that as well since the Philadelphia Convention was done in response to the Annapolis Convention. The Annapolis Convention was convened to discuss the problem of Colonel Green from Massachusetts leading a rebel army against the Massachusetts state government due to the fiat currency being used. Colonel Green and his men captured courthouses to prevent the state from seizing their farms due to default on loans taken out during the War of Independence because the money they were paid in was worthless. Problems in the north were always forced upon the south and projected there. At the time of the War of Southern Independence, there were slave states inside the Union and Lincoln never freed them.

Quick question, why is it illegal for the southern states to secede from the Union while it was legal for the 48 western counties of Virginia to secede without permission from the Virginia legislature to form a new state?
 

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Which is why they eventually went along, but they had no common interests to the north and were being punished in sort of neo-colonialism.

This is completely retarded.

Obviously people who were sold off to the USA like slaves themselves had no reason to want to be part of it, especially since they were themselves treated like a personal colony of the north.

Again, retarded ... land own remained owned as property owned remained owned, nationality remained the same, it simply changed who was the legal authority as it changed in the past.

Again, history could have been much different. South could easily have become part of a mexico-southern new american empire or been allowed to succeed peacefully or simply worn out the north over time, which is what would have happened if north had some shred of sanity.

If the South didnt acted as a autistic children and attacked US Federal property, did they thought that somehow things would be any different then when the natives did that?

Their retardation started the war, they set themselves as the aggressor that historically was all the US ever needed, the Texan War of Independence wasnt that far off, it just highlights how fucking impotent and delusional they were.

Simply put again, they wanted to live in their fantasy land ... Mexico would have kicked their asses because as problematic they were, they still had a more effective form of government, not the Southern Fantasy.

Instead millions were killed off and the ever growing debt was ensured all for some shitty worthless part of the country that has even less value today in the modern age and the right to let the whole country become flooded with africans. What a great deal all around.

Fun fact, Confederate debt is not recognized by the United States.
 

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This is completely retarded.

If the South didnt acted as a autistic children and attacked US Federal property, did they thought that somehow things would be any different then when the natives did that?

Their retardation started the war, they set themselves as the aggressor that historically was all the US ever needed, the Texan War of Independence wasnt that far off, it just highlights how fucking impotent and delusional they were.

Simply put again, they wanted to live in their fantasy land ... Mexico would have kicked their asses because as problematic they were, they still had a more effective form of government, not the Southern Fantasy.

Oh how stupid you are. I guess you are from the blind school of history where you only tell half of the truth. The United States Army invaded the south first when Captain Anderson of the US Army moved his regiment from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on Christmas Day of 1860, South Carolina had already seceded at this point. There was the invasion of the southern waters by the Star of the West filled with a regiment of US Army troops plus supplies bound for Fort Sumter. There was a third invasion of the United States that began a few weeks before April 12 firing on the naval fleet and the fort. In all three cases, the United States was the aggressor and invaded a sovereign nation just for taxes tribute.
 
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Yeah except theres no actual product thus no actual value as of yet.

All hail kickstarter shills, keeping the scam going even in 2015

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Let me guess, no confederate flag, right?

If you look on the left side of the OP you'll see the Confederate Flag that is the first version of the national flag. It's also called the Stars and Bars. What many people think to be the Confederate Flag is in fact the Army of North Virginia's battle flag.
 

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Let me guess, no Army of North Virginia's battle flag, right?

From their media pictures they do have that flag.

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This should be a fun watch.



I hate those type of videos. "Hurr durr people r dump let's make a video with cartoon images to explain shit that takes two seconds to learn about with a mere google search derp". Aren't those youtubers smart.
 

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I'm hoping that they will include the Cherokee, Creek, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Chocktaw regiments for the Confederates like Thomas's Legion, 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles, 1st Regiment of Cherokee Mounted Volunteers, etc... That would blow people's minds for sure.
 

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