KickStarter War for the Overworld - Dungeon Keeper clone

[grudgebringer]

Looks like they're moving threads about technical issues to a hidden forum, nice.

 

[Grunker]

Looks like they're moving threads about technical issues to a hidden forum, nice.

Details?

 

[Daedalos]

Looks like they're moving threads about technical issues to a hidden forum, nice.

You mean the "Bug reports" forum, which is just under the general forum, AND visible to everybody else?

Yeah.. "hidden" indeed.

 

[Grunker]

ohwow

 

[Daedalos]

Funnily enough, people are whining about dis game being too similar to DK2, while the entire kickstarter campaign PROMISED a game just like DK2 with some new stuff and mostly old revised. So far so good, they've made good on that promise, bugs and what not, aside.

People wanted an updated HD DK2 spiritual successor with some new shit thrown in for good measure, and that's what they've gotten.. Problem?

 

[Astral Rag]

Looks like they're moving threads about technical issues to a hidden forum, nice.

You mean the "Bug reports" forum, which is just under the general forum, AND visible to everybody else?

Yeah.. "hidden" indeed.

 

[Daedalos]

Seems to me, you can't into Steam.

gg

 

[skacky]

Go to their official forums, they still have everything.
Anyway, I've backed this and played the beta extensively. It's a shame the game was so rushed but I have fun with it and that's all that matters, despite the bugs. Impressions so far:

— Rich Ridings does a superb job, I'd say he's better here than he ever was in DK. Really good VA overall.
— Gameplay is pretty cool overall, lots of new twists and changes that don't make it feel like a regression. Constructs are great.
— Unit voices and noises are good. Most of these were not in the beta and it's good to finally hear them. Makes combat hectic and fun.
— Most rooms are really beautiful (Vault, Prison, Alchemy Lab, Crypt in particular).
— World map is great.
— Some really fun spells, rituals and potions, like Blood Money for example.
— Terrain is much, much better than before. It still lacks the twisted aesthetic of DK2 but it's good enough. They gotta do something about the ceiling though.
— I like the different themes.
— Monsters are not stunned when you drop them, hurray!
— This is definitely Dungeon Keeper.

— Map design isn't particularly outstanding. The Heart Attack mission in particular I ended up cheesing like a motherfucker. Clearly not on the level of DK2 that had the best levels in the series imo (with Deeper Dungeons).
— Only 13 campaign levels is very short.
— Minion mood seems to have zero impact. I've had angry minions and nobody left my dungeon.
— UI gets cluttered very fast. Some hard-to-click buttons. Placeholder icons (artifacts in particular).
— Possession is clearly not finished and I never managed to actually attack while possessing a minion.
— Minion AI is freaking stupid sometimes, I swear.
— Lots, lots and lots of bugs, but they've been patching the game like crazy so that's great to see.
— Optimization sucks balls. It's better than in the beta but there is still a lot to do.

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

I guess "release" is the new term for "beta" these days, as it is riddled with bugs and placeholders. Will probably be a nice experience after a few months of patching.

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

 

[Grunker]

Yeah, I'm definetely enjoying myself but would suggest everyone wait a few patches.

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

I prefer too much iteration to too little, most definetely, and with the limits on their budget, I think it was wise to not adventure too far on the design side of things.

 

[skacky]

It's not an exact copy, not by a long shot.

 

[Grunker]

It may not be, but it's one of the most iterative games I've played.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

for the same reason why xenonauts was the only x-com clone worth a damn since terror from the deep

 

[Grunker]

I liked neu-XCOM, but not because it felt like playing XCOM really. Which is why I'm glad WftO went the way it did.

 

[Mortmal]

Niggers, please.

Once the performance issues, bugs and UI stuff gets fixed, this game wil easily be a 9 / 10.

So just calm down.

It plays like DK2, and better.

Its worth mentioning theres like 13 hours of functionnal content till it gets completely unplayable, so much wait and 25$ for so little. I ve not tried the game during early access eagerly waiting for the release , calling that release is plain dishonest theres so many complaints they move them partially in the bug sub forum when they can , 342 thread in main forum 132 thread in bug forum.

 

[Norfleet]

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

Because that's what they promised to do and that's what they were given money to do, so that's what they did?

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

for the same reason why xenonauts was the only x-com clone worth a damn since terror from the deep

I take it you haven't played ufo: extraterrestrials?

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

Yeah, I'm definetely enjoying myself but would suggest everyone wait a few patches.

Also, as much as I loved DK2, why the hell make an exact copy of it?

I prefer too much iteration to too little, most definetely, and with the limits on their budget, I think it was wise to not adventure too far on the design side of things.

Kind of naively expected them to improve upon it somewhat, taking the best from both DK1 and DK2, thowing in a couple of their own ideas... but you are probably right.
I just thought that people wanting the exact same thing can just grab the originals from GOG...

 

[Makabb]

9 patches on first day, game is finished amirite?

 

[Diablo169]

So why DID they release this unfinished? Did they run out of money?

 

[Grunker]

So why DID they release this unfinished? Did they run out of money?

My guess would be yes.

 

[Diablo169]

It's a real shame, the game itself looks to have a lot of potential. But the bad press isn't going to be doing their revenue stream any favors. I was a backer so it can sit in my steam library till they patch the hell out of it.

 

[Torrasque01]

Unlike Worlds of Magic this is getting much, much better steam user reviews even tho they released in a similar state. Couple that with the video from TB they'll be fine. They are good at PR and damage control.

 

[Diablo169]

Unlike Worlds of Magic this is getting much, much better steam user reviews even tho they released in a similar state. Couple that with the video from TB they'll be fine. They are good at PR and damage control.

I think a good portion of that stems from the fact that even with all the bugs this is the most Dungeon Keeper 2 like experience we've had for what 16 ish years? Only other honorable mention in the interim was Evil Genius which was fantastic but also flawed.

 

[Mortmal]

It's a real shame, the game itself looks to have a lot of potential. But the bad press isn't going to be doing their revenue stream any favors. I was a backer so it can sit in my steam library till they patch the hell out of it.

You can wait for a while before seeing improvements , i can accept some more delay i am backer too, but why suddendly getting it out of early access status and waste my time except for getting more money. Video games are the only business where its allowed to do this, release an unfinished product and get away with it, other small business have to contact their banker and ask for a loan . Dont you dare sending a defective piece of equipment, lawsuit incoming and big penalties if you are late to deliver to boot . Not only they get away with it but there's people whiteknighting them....
Theres so much unfinished shit on steam,and zero quality control, i am sad to have to put this on the rubbish pile for now, until hey can salvage something from it.