Underrail [PRE-RELEASE THREAD, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Aenra]

Be it RPGs, MMORPGS or MOBAs, there is way too much of a shared target audience. Expectations have thus shifted accordingly. Unless communicated properly and very early on, like it or not?
It's to be expected this will occur. They have been taught that if it drops it must be "picked up". Period. Your both giving them drops and not communicating to them the difference/import of selective management is bound to lead into such issues.
Likewise with min-maxing, they think D3, or whatever shit they are currently playing, they just won't ever be willing to be told "you wasted time for ""nothing"", this is not an OP build". Even if you have provided for said "nothing". They won't sticxk around long enough to find it.

It's really sad if you think about..you could try be transparent, communicate this in some way from earlier on, and possibly hurt your sales. Or you could change your game to accommodate those people. Big risk. Or say nothing, and hope for the best. I don't see an easy way out;
But whichever you look at it, there is just too much of a shared target audience by now. As i said, different expectations.

I would criticise the retard saying "but D3 does it better, i don't like your style" one way.
And the potential buyer implying "no one told me" in quite another.

 

[tuluse]

5% negative reviews on Steam, just sayin'

The one Zdzisiu quoted raises one interesting question (while being utterly retarded as a whole of course)
Why do "wrong" char building options even exist?
Josh Sawyer seems to agree with the guy that they shouldn't.
I'd say having a ruleset with wrong builds is good design because if you wanna make a proper RPG with some tactical depth you better give the player as many possibilities to come up with synergies as humanly possible. In case of Underrail calling some builds "invalid" is just another way to describe that these are missing those synergies.
If you make everything equally viable then the game turns into a click blindly until the distracting menus go away snorefest. You have to be able to make wrong decisions or your decisions won't matter at all. And I don't believe you can make up for missing char building depth with combat tactics unless you go the whole nine yards and create the next XCOM.
Part of good tactical games is figuring out the rules and using them to your advantage. Minmaxing is just that, minmaxing is using synergies after you understood the rules and therefore it's great CRPG design and should never be used as a derogative term.
I love the ruleset of this game to death, and I also love the crafting (which is weird, I usually hate that stuff, but in other games it tends to break the balance, here it works), which also means that atm I'm in the mood to bash this fucker's head in for whining about the abundance of loot. I need all that stuff, you retarded inbred shitstain!
... *hiver mode off*

In Underrail, the only non-viable builds are if you try to do too much. If you picked stills at the start at random and raised them to max every level, I'm pretty sure you could get through the game.

So non-viable builds exist because it gives players some freedom in trying to create a jack of all trades character.

Now if Underrail had pure trap skills like Fallout does, I would agree that would be a problem.

 

[NotAGolfer]

I wrote "If you make everything equally viable ..." for a reason.
And I didn't call any builds invalid, but just quoted that retard with the Steam review.

The skills you level/use in the game better match your char's strengths regarding base abilities or you are fucked. Also the game itself hints at skill synergies. If you just raise stuff without thinking then your char will be seriously gimped.
Sure, jacks of all trades are possible, but you have to plan these too or your char will become effectively lower level than one with some thought put into it (all that synergy percentage stuff).
Might still work but with more reloads and less fun. Some of the best feats also require maxed out abilities and matching skill investments. The game encourages you to look for that stuff and rewards it.
Gud design.

 

[Achiman]

Systems where you can gimp your character to a point where you can't progress or complete the game are working as intended imo.
It's a role playing game.
Those people are just playing the roll of retard, like they probably are playing in real life (by remaining ignorant or otherwise).

 

[Ulminati]

I wrote "If you make everything equally viable ..." for a reason.

A system in which everything is equally viable is indistinguishable from one where everything is shit.

 

[Sykar]

I wrote "If you make everything equally viable ..." for a reason.

A system in which everything is equally viable is indistinguishable from one where everything is shit.

There is a difference. One can be fun, and the other shit.

 

[ArchAngel]

Steam need a Review of reviews. I can respect other opinion and preferences , but its almost just whinning. Maybe he's just having a hard day.

My best part: - no open world. "But you can go anywhere!". Yeah, but it still corridors and in most of them you'll just die horribly.

I hope he died a zillion time by getting stun and mauled by robots~

You can downvote reviews from other people. Then when someone looking for reviews filters them by Most Helpful the ones with downvotes are not at the top

 

[Kem0sabe]

My attempt at mapping rail crossing station and surrounding caverns...

 

[AwesomeButton]

I've always associated RPGs with freedom, so if you can be dumb in real life and you can't fail in your character build the lack of this risk takes away from the fun.

 

[Styg]

Version 0.1.14.0 released

Hey guys, the last Early Access/alpha version is here. It's available on Steam now and, as before, it will be available on other platforms as soon as we stabilize it. We are proud to present to you the Institute of Tchort in all its glory, the final urban area of the game. If you want to know more about what's left on our development roadmap, check out the previous dev log.

Speaking of changes, we made quite a bit of them, some of which are quite significant for certain play-styles, so we're looking forward to hearing the feedback on those. Of course, we also added lots of new stuff in terms of items and feats. Anyway here's the list (partial list, the other half is in the previous dev log):

• Items
  • Added Flashbang blueprint
  • Added EMP grenades Mk II and Mk III
  • Rathound Regalia mechanical damage reduction changed to 20% (down from 25%) and all heat damage taken while wearing it increased by 100%
  • Burrower Burger, Eel Sandwich and Cave Hopper Steak now grant 1 point in their respective stats (down from 2)
  • Mushroom Brew no longe affects agility and preception and dexterity penalties changed to -2 (don from -3)
  • Consuming Mushroom Brew will now give you an empty bottle
  • Shock and incendiary bolts and acid blob traps mk III should no longer appear in shops or as random loot and mk II should now be quite rare
  • Healing from regenerative vests buffed; regenerative armors can no longer be recharged during combat
  • Finding psionic headband with an enhancement is now rare and you can no longer find one with two enhancements (you'll have to craft it)
  • Regular tactical vest visual model updated
• Creatures
  • Added cats
• Tweaks
  • Max player character level increased to 25
  • Base classic kill XP per target level increased slightly
  • Crafting requirements for components scaling with quality lowered to 80% of the original value
  • Removed composition difficulty from many optional component slots
  • Reduced the cost of firing energy pistols (not retroactive, just for new ones)
  • NPCs now use EMP grenades; you've been warned
  • Increased the range and max range of assault rifles; this will indirectly reduce burst imprecision (not retroactive)
  • Warhogs have been buffed
  • Dirty Rags now require 10 tailoring (down from 25)
  • Recycling stuff made of fabric will now also produce dirty rags
  • Pack hunting now also increases attack skill in addition to damage, so rathounds in groups will hit you more easily
  • NPCs will no longer attempt to disarm traps that are too hard for them
  • NPC suspicion bar now degrades very slowly over time (updated when you re-enter the area)
  • Explosive barrel damage increased
  • Slightly reduced the number of mutated dogs in Depot A
  • Muties and regular dogs no longer respawn in Depot A
  • Forcefield cooldown changed to 8 turns (down from 12)
  • Plasma Sentry no longer loses the rest of its turn when it switches back into mobile form
  • Crawler poison can no longer be refreshed, so having it applied multiple times will no longer delay the stuff
  • Reduced the fatigue effect duration after adrenaline expires to adrenaline duration + 1 turn
  • Bear trap weight halved
  • Toxic Gas grenades now apply “Contaminated” debuff which increases all damage taken
• Feats
  • Requirements for various feats re-balanced
  • Shroomhead - feat disabled, pending redesign
  • Taste for Blood - now also grants a stack whenever you deal a killing blow regardless of whether the target had bleeding wounds or not
  • Power Management - changed to now always provide 35% extra energy capacity
  • Uncanny Dodge - You now dodge 2 + 1 extra attack per 30 dodge; cooldown changed to 6 turns (up from 3)
  • Spec Ops - now correctly only works with SMGs
  • Opportunist - now works with throwing knives as well
  • Thick Skull - Cannot be stunned, only dazed
  • Concentrated Fire - Each hit from from burst attack increases the damage from further burst hits by 10%. Stacks 10 times.
  • Commando - Killing an opponent using burst attack will grant you an extra free burst attack that can be performed in the same turn. This can only happen once every turn.
  • Pinning - Your throwing knives have 35% chance to pin living targets to the ground for 1 turn.
  • Fatal Throw - Throwing knives always critically hit against targets below 25% health. Killing a target with a knife throw will refund 18 action points.
  • Split Spare - When throwing knives you throw an extra one at a nearby target that's within the attack cone.
  • Ripper – Critical hit damage with knives and throwing knives increased by 1% for each 1% of the target's missing health. Applied multiplicatively to regular critical damage bonus.
  • Critical Power – For each 1% of weapon or unarmed critical damage bonus above 100%, you gain an additional 1.5% critical damage bonus
  • Expertise - Your non-critical firearm, crossbow, and melee attacks deal additional mechanical damage equal to your level.
  • Blitz - Grants you an ability that when invoked will instantly convert all your movement points to action points, granting you 1 action point for each 3 movement points. Cooldown 10 turns.
  • Point Shot - Grants you the ability to perform a quick pistol, SMG or assault rifle attack that costs 50% of the standard action point cost but has reduced precision. Cooldown: 1 turn.
  • Survival Instincts - Increases the chance to critically hit with weapons, unarmed attacks and psi abilities by 30% while under 30% health.
  • Stoicism - You receive 1% less damage from all sources for each 4% health missing.
  • Escape Artist - Grants you the ability to remove all immobilization effects. Cooldown: 2 turns.
  • Rapid Fire - Fire three bullets from any firearm except the sniper. Chance to hit falls drastically beyond optimal range.
  • Juggernaut - Total health increased by 25% while wearing armor with armor penalty of 50% or higher.
  • Fast Metabolism - All healing increased by 50% and psi boosters restore extra 25 psi.
  • Heavyweight - You add your total armor penalty to the critical damage bonus of sledgehammer, fist weapon and unarmed attacks.
  • Super Slam - An attack with a sledgehammer that does normal damage plus 20% of attacker's maximum health. Cooldown: 3 turns.
  • Sure Step - You can safely navigate caltrops and puddles of acid.
  • Guard - You have 50% chance to block melee mechanical damage equal to twice your strength.
  • Deadly Snares - Your crossbow attacks always critically hit against targets caught in bear traps and acidic entanglements.
  • Gun Nut - Increases the upper damage range of all firearms you create by 20%.
  • Skinner - The quality of leathers counts as if 20% higher in all your crafts.
  • Armor Sloping - Reduces the armor penalty originating from metal plates when crafting armor by 35% (multiplicative).
  • Clothier - The quality of fabrics counts as if 20% higher in all your crafts.
  • Mad Chemist - On-hit effects of chemical pistols you create are twice as strong.
  • Weaponsmith - Knives and sledgehammers that you create have 5% higher critical hit chance.
  • Practical Physicist - Critical damage bonus of energy weapons you create is increased by 25% (additive).
  • Ballistics - Carrier vests give additional 3 mechanical damage threshold when you use them in crafting.
  • Neurology - Psi Headbands you create also provide additional 15 maximum psi points.
• UI
  • Items will no longer get equipped when you double click them while holding ALT or CTRL (so you can rapidly alt-click transfer stuff now)
  • Interface will no longer register single clicks as double clicks if they are fired rapidly after a double click
  • Fixed the slowdown that occurred when opening quest notes once you've got a lot of notes in there; also fixed weird spacing issues in that window
  • Added scroll bar to crafted item view
• Bugs
  • Game will no longer crash when you return to the secret hideout of a secret organization in a certain place
  • The electro room in the Gauntlet crash fixed
  • Fixed the bug that caused the level up to cancel without allowing you to restart it when pressing ESC when confirmation dialog appears and then again after that
  • Fixed the bug that caused the respawning creatures not to respawn when loading an autosave
  • TNT charges will now trigger explosive traps and other similar objects in their blast radius
  • Fixed the bug that caused melee special attacks to have their visual and sound effects trigger at the beginning of the animation instead of at the moment of impact
  • Arena enemies will no longer turn their shields off before combat like idiots
  • Fixed the bug that sometimes caused bandaging to abort if you were right on the minimal health limit
  • You can no longer drop things into a standard container without opening it
  • You can no longer burst people who are not in the same area. For example, using burst while fighting in arena and bursting people below it, thus being branded a witch and sentenced to death
  • Fix the bug that caused Telekinetic Proxy to not clone your abilities if it was positioned just to the side of the target
  • Guard at Epione Lab will no attack you after letting you pass in certain situations
  • You will now always be able to exit Holloway's dialog
  • Other various quest and dialog bugs

That's all for now folks. Enjoy the last alpha update and let us know how you like the new stuff, as well as the gameplay changes we made. We're off now to work at the last bit of the game and, hopefully, come summer, we'll have the full release ready.

Cheers!

 

[Zdzisiu]

Version 0.1.14.0 released

Hey guys, the last Early Access/alpha version is here. It's available on Steam now and, as before, it will be available on other platforms as soon as we stabilize it. We are proud to present to you the Institute of Tchort in all its glory, the final urban area of the game. If you want to know more about what's left on our development roadmap, check out the previous dev log.

Speaking of changes, we made quite a bit of them, some of which are quite significant for certain play-styles, so we're looking forward to hearing the feedback on those. Of course, we also added lots of new stuff in terms of items and feats. Anyway here's the list (partial list, the other half is in the previous dev log):

• Items
  • Added Flashbang blueprint
  • Added EMP grenades Mk II and Mk III
  • Rathound Regalia mechanical damage reduction changed to 20% (down from 25%) and all heat damage taken while wearing it increased by 100%
  • Burrower Burger, Eel Sandwich and Cave Hopper Steak now grant 1 point in their respective stats (down from 2)
  • Mushroom Brew no longe affects agility and preception and dexterity penalties changed to -2 (don from -3)
  • Consuming Mushroom Brew will now give you an empty bottle
  • Shock and incendiary bolts and acid blob traps mk III should no longer appear in shops or as random loot and mk II should now be quite rare
  • Healing from regenerative vests buffed; regenerative armors can no longer be recharged during combat
  • Finding psionic headband with an enhancement is now rare and you can no longer find one with two enhancements (you'll have to craft it)
  • Regular tactical vest visual model updated
• Creatures
  • Added cats
• Tweaks
  • Max player character level increased to 25
  • Base classic kill XP per target level increased slightly
  • Crafting requirements for components scaling with quality lowered to 80% of the original value
  • Removed composition difficulty from many optional component slots
  • Reduced the cost of firing energy pistols (not retroactive, just for new ones)
  • NPCs now use EMP grenades; you've been warned
  • Increased the range and max range of assault rifles; this will indirectly reduce burst imprecision (not retroactive)
  • Warhogs have been buffed
  • Dirty Rags now require 10 tailoring (down from 25)
  • Recycling stuff made of fabric will now also produce dirty rags
  • Pack hunting now also increases attack skill in addition to damage, so rathounds in groups will hit you more easily
  • NPCs will no longer attempt to disarm traps that are too hard for them
  • NPC suspicion bar now degrades very slowly over time (updated when you re-enter the area)
  • Explosive barrel damage increased
  • Slightly reduced the number of mutated dogs in Depot A
  • Muties and regular dogs no longer respawn in Depot A
  • Forcefield cooldown changed to 8 turns (down from 12)
  • Plasma Sentry no longer loses the rest of its turn when it switches back into mobile form
  • Crawler poison can no longer be refreshed, so having it applied multiple times will no longer delay the stuff
  • Reduced the fatigue effect duration after adrenaline expires to adrenaline duration + 1 turn
  • Bear trap weight halved
  • Toxic Gas grenades now apply “Contaminated” debuff which increases all damage taken
• Feats
  • Requirements for various feats re-balanced
  • Shroomhead - feat disabled, pending redesign
  • Taste for Blood - now also grants a stack whenever you deal a killing blow regardless of whether the target had bleeding wounds or not
  • Power Management - changed to now always provide 35% extra energy capacity
  • Uncanny Dodge - You now dodge 2 + 1 extra attack per 30 dodge; cooldown changed to 6 turns (up from 3)
  • Spec Ops - now correctly only works with SMGs
  • Opportunist - now works with throwing knives as well
  • Thick Skull - Cannot be stunned, only dazed
  • Concentrated Fire - Each hit from from burst attack increases the damage from further burst hits by 10%. Stacks 10 times.
  • Commando - Killing an opponent using burst attack will grant you an extra free burst attack that can be performed in the same turn. This can only happen once every turn.
  • Pinning - Your throwing knives have 35% chance to pin living targets to the ground for 1 turn.
  • Fatal Throw - Throwing knives always critically hit against targets below 25% health. Killing a target with a knife throw will refund 18 action points.
  • Split Spare - When throwing knives you throw an extra one at a nearby target that's within the attack cone.
  • Ripper – Critical hit damage with knives and throwing knives increased by 1% for each 1% of the target's missing health. Applied multiplicatively to regular critical damage bonus.
  • Critical Power – For each 1% of weapon or unarmed critical damage bonus above 100%, you gain an additional 1.5% critical damage bonus
  • Expertise - Your non-critical firearm, crossbow, and melee attacks deal additional mechanical damage equal to your level.
  • Blitz - Grants you an ability that when invoked will instantly convert all your movement points to action points, granting you 1 action point for each 3 movement points. Cooldown 10 turns.
  • Point Shot - Grants you the ability to perform a quick pistol, SMG or assault rifle attack that costs 50% of the standard action point cost but has reduced precision. Cooldown: 1 turn.
  • Survival Instincts - Increases the chance to critically hit with weapons, unarmed attacks and psi abilities by 30% while under 30% health.
  • Stoicism - You receive 1% less damage from all sources for each 4% health missing.
  • Escape Artist - Grants you the ability to remove all immobilization effects. Cooldown: 2 turns.
  • Rapid Fire - Fire three bullets from any firearm except the sniper. Chance to hit falls drastically beyond optimal range.
  • Juggernaut - Total health increased by 25% while wearing armor with armor penalty of 50% or higher.
  • Fast Metabolism - All healing increased by 50% and psi boosters restore extra 25 psi.
  • Heavyweight - You add your total armor penalty to the critical damage bonus of sledgehammer, fist weapon and unarmed attacks.
  • Super Slam - An attack with a sledgehammer that does normal damage plus 20% of attacker's maximum health. Cooldown: 3 turns.
  • Sure Step - You can safely navigate caltrops and puddles of acid.
  • Guard - You have 50% chance to block melee mechanical damage equal to twice your strength.
  • Deadly Snares - Your crossbow attacks always critically hit against targets caught in bear traps and acidic entanglements.
  • Gun Nut - Increases the upper damage range of all firearms you create by 20%.
  • Skinner - The quality of leathers counts as if 20% higher in all your crafts.
  • Armor Sloping - Reduces the armor penalty originating from metal plates when crafting armor by 35% (multiplicative).
  • Clothier - The quality of fabrics counts as if 20% higher in all your crafts.
  • Mad Chemist - On-hit effects of chemical pistols you create are twice as strong.
  • Weaponsmith - Knives and sledgehammers that you create have 5% higher critical hit chance.
  • Practical Physicist - Critical damage bonus of energy weapons you create is increased by 25% (additive).
  • Ballistics - Carrier vests give additional 3 mechanical damage threshold when you use them in crafting.
  • Neurology - Psi Headbands you create also provide additional 15 maximum psi points.
• UI
  • Items will no longer get equipped when you double click them while holding ALT or CTRL (so you can rapidly alt-click transfer stuff now)
  • Interface will no longer register single clicks as double clicks if they are fired rapidly after a double click
  • Fixed the slowdown that occurred when opening quest notes once you've got a lot of notes in there; also fixed weird spacing issues in that window
  • Added scroll bar to crafted item view
• Bugs
  • Game will no longer crash when you return to the secret hideout of a secret organization in a certain place
  • The electro room in the Gauntlet crash fixed
  • Fixed the bug that caused the level up to cancel without allowing you to restart it when pressing ESC when confirmation dialog appears and then again after that
  • Fixed the bug that caused the respawning creatures not to respawn when loading an autosave
  • TNT charges will now trigger explosive traps and other similar objects in their blast radius
  • Fixed the bug that caused melee special attacks to have their visual and sound effects trigger at the beginning of the animation instead of at the moment of impact
  • Arena enemies will no longer turn their shields off before combat like idiots
  • Fixed the bug that sometimes caused bandaging to abort if you were right on the minimal health limit
  • You can no longer drop things into a standard container without opening it
  • You can no longer burst people who are not in the same area. For example, using burst while fighting in arena and bursting people below it, thus being branded a witch and sentenced to death
  • Fix the bug that caused Telekinetic Proxy to not clone your abilities if it was positioned just to the side of the target
  • Guard at Epione Lab will no attack you after letting you pass in certain situations
  • You will now always be able to exit Holloway's dialog
  • Other various quest and dialog bugs

That's all for now folks. Enjoy the last alpha update and let us know how you like the new stuff, as well as the gameplay changes we made. We're off now to work at the last bit of the game and, hopefully, come summer, we'll have the full release ready.

Cheers!

Yeeees! No Pillars for me because Im poor, but my sweet sweet Underrail will keep me company

 

[covr]

Great timing, Styg, I see what u did there

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Added cats

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Must... not... masturbate...

 

[Major_Blackhart]

This is awesome.

 

[Doctor Sbaitso]

This is indie done right. Can't wait for the release.

Would you ever consider physical editions with boxes and collectibles?

 

[Styg]

This is indie done right. Can't wait for the release.

Would you ever consider physical editions with boxes and collectibles?

I'd consider it, but I'm going to have to carefully look into what that entails. But yeah, I would one day like to make a certain amount of collector's editions that would come in the large box with goodies and everything.

 

[Davaris]

My attempt at mapping rail crossing station and surrounding caverns...

Is that one area or one of many?

 

[Zdzisiu]

My attempt at mapping rail crossing station and surrounding caverns...

Is that one area or one of many?

If you ask if thats all there is in Underrail then no, not by a long shot. This map is of just one area of the game, and not even the biggest one. And each of those squares is a single zone you can visit and do shit in.

 

[Sykar]

And another new and fresh start for my characters to get a feel how the changes impacted every stage of the game. Awesome!

 

[Ulminati]

Added cats

GOTY

 

[epeli]

My attempt at mapping rail crossing station and surrounding caverns...

Lovely map! I smiled at strange cliff. Good intuition.
Seeing people draw paper maps for a CRPG is equal parts nostalgic and awesome. You really don't see this shit anymore. Underrail is bringing the real old school back.

 

[polo]

I want this released for when i finish playing the fuck out of PoE, keep up the pace styg :D


Also, Jools i never said im not a newfag myself

 

[Jools]

Also, Jools i never said im not a newfag myself

Good, because that'd be redundant, after all.

Joined: Jul 8, 2014

Spoiler

 

[polo]

Well here is someone who is not brofisting your posts in 3 months!