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U5 Lazarus Questions

Discussion in 'Classic cRPG Discussion' started by Bruticis, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. Bruticis Liturgist

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    Just started this up for the first time. I've been leery to try fan remakes since Ultima is so beloved to me but this one is top notch so far. The music is fantastic and the writing has been excellent. I even spent a few hours reading everything in the book of lore (The Fall of Lord Blackthorn was a great read).
    Enough with the plug and on to my questions. Skills, I've read conflicting things about them. Is it wise to train skills as soon as I can or do I wait until I'm a higher level? I've read the cost scales as you go up in level but so does the power of each skill. If I take a skill at level 2 will it be just as powerful as I level then if I had taken it at say level 6?
    Second, should I focus on getting my companions right away before earning much exp? Will the characters I haven't yet picked up level as I do?
    Also, I've read about some issues about vanishing characters if you dismiss someone in your party and you want to pick them up later. Any thing I should avoid doing to make this not happen? Any other non spoiler tips I should be aware of?
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  3. Bruticis Liturgist

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    I'd probably suggest explore and do the main quest for a bit before worrying about skills (as they cost a LOT). Covetous is still pretty much the "starter" dungeon like the original. Except you need to do a few things to get to it and explore it.... BUT if an area of that dungeon starts to become VERY fucking tough RUN AWAY and head back. ;)

    If an area seems very very dangerous, just go explore somewhere else. Focus on leveling up chars and getting money. You can buy skills at any time.

    Once you finally have enough to buy some skills for all party members you will kick large amounts of ass.
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  6. Bruticis Liturgist

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    So far Lazurus is pure fucking awesome, I don't know why I've avoided it for so long aside from the fact that 99% of fan remakes fucking suck. Bros, I have to take notes! Oh how I've longed for a game that actually requires me to take notes (yes, seriously).
    Jaesun, how is the U6 project compared to Laz? I've been skimming the forums and saw quite a few of your posts.
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    The U6 project (in MY opinion) is on par or equal to Lazarus in terms of writing, music and artwork. It is REALLY good. Also the improvements to the interface and a number of engine tweaks ARE FUCKING AWESOME.

    The Dungeon designs suck fucking gigantic ass (in my opinion). I don't like them. There are however a few really really done well dungeons, but they are far and few.

    My big problem is Ultima 6 was never a gigantic fucking dungeon crawl (Ultima V WAS, due to the Underworld). Hythloth in Ultima VI WAS an epic hellish nightmare, but I never made it to that dungeon in the U6 Project so I do not know who it was designed. The U6 project is too heavy on dungeon crawling, and I hope this is addressed with the 1.1 version that hopefully will be coming soon... When playing the current version, doing a plot specific dungeon and after 8+ hours and I STILL was no where near the area of the dungeon I needed to find the specific plot item is when I turned it off an un-installed.

    The land of Britannia actually being under siege by the Gargoyles is also very well done. Which was boring in the original Ultima VI.

    If you LOVE huge epic fucking dungeon crawls however, DO give it a try. Or wait for 1.1.
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    Glad to see another convert :salute: !! Lazarus is truly a gem that any self described Ultima fan NEEDS to play. It's unfortunate that the Dungeon Siege engine will automatically keep some away. The game exceeds it's own engine and makes you forget that it uses that game as a base.

    As far as U6P I agree with Jaesun. It is almost as good as Lazarus in my opinion. The writing and making Britain come alive is it's strongest areas. The gargoyle invasion is an actual invasion this time and the world is reacting to it. The area that stopped me from continuing was the dungeons. Everything above ground felt fresh and "fun" while the dungeons I entered (can't remember which ones) were just one long chore. Everything the U6P team has stated tells me they are fixing this glaring problem and the one thing that keeps this from equaling Lazarus.

    Wait for 1.1 then enjoy!
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    Yup, Lazarus is awesome. I truly loved that game. I didn't really mind the engine.
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    Probably too late, as you've already started, but: NPC's not in your party don't gain experience. I usually like to take my time on the overworld talking to people and getting to know the layout of Britannia before going dungeon crawling when playing any Ultima, so I did the same with Lazarus. Unlike the original, some NPC's will have things to say when taken somewhere that makes sense (eg Sentri in Serpent Hold), and it's nice to see these bits. I admit I cheated and got the party limit to 8 with a mod, just to see more NPC interactions (and some will even spawn quests; Katrina certainly does).

    Regarding training skills, you will finish the game with FAR more money than you will ever need, so don't worry about rising costs.

    Also: Lazarus is fucking awesome.
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    It is also worth noting (because the U6 Team are BROS!), you CAN use all the new engine functions and option in U6 in Lazraus. (I have actually played it, and ITS SO FUCKING AWESOME).

    But currently the Grappling Hooks for the Dungeons are broken (except the plot specific one). And it's still in a BETA, so all kinds of bad stuff could happen. So don't try this at home kids.

    Once U6 Project is finished, I believe the people working on that will then work on getting Lazarus working completely with U6 Projects new options/engine functions.
  12. Bruticis Liturgist

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    :salute: Thanks for the tips!
    I decided to stop power gaming for once in my damn life and just enjoy this thing. I was initially thinking I've played U5 (hell, I bought the game with saved allowance money in 1988) so many times, I'll just min-max this beast and see what it's about. As soon as I got to Yew and started interacting with the NPC's, I knew I had to slow down and really enjoy the game. The fine folks that wrote this and expanded all the dialog get a huge BRO fist! I still have trouble believing 'The Tale of Captain Johne' and 'The Fall of Lord Blackthorn' are fan fiction. I've never played a remake that gave me that tingly nostalgia feeling until this one. I'm as giddy as a school girl.
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    Yes, If you are a true Ultima Fan AND love the lore of the game, all of the dialogues will keep you entertained for HOURS. There is a lot of good reading made from pure fucking love of the Ultima series.
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    Yes. EA should pay these people good money to make a new Ultima game.
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    No, because EA would ask them to make an Ultima game BUT WITH AN AWESOME BUTTAN!
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    Oh hey a Lazarus thread.

    [IMG]

    Welcome to Team Lazarus, Bro. :bro:

    Nice. What engine changes does the U6 Project add?
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    Can anyone tell me which show/movie this comes from?
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    There is an option to adjust spawns. A number of other things to basically alter it however you like. Even make it more hard core if you want IIRC. And an option to turn of the FUCKING ANNOYING Oh No! A monster is near music. That so annoyed me. heh It's been a while so I don't remember exactly. And they may have added more when 1.1 comes out.

    Also the in-game manual for U6 is fucking awesome, and would be nice to have it in U5 as well. Someone would have to do that however.
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    What's interesting is that "The Tale of Captain Johne" is fucking old, much older than the Lazarus project. I remember reading it in high school.

    It's incredible that the writer (Michael D. Hilborn) showed up years later and wrote another, stylistically consistent, story. He is a true bro
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    That said, I couldn't help but imagine Lord Windemere as some sort of JRPGish/Sephirothish white-haired pretty boy, misunderstood emo type of character.
    i wonder if that was the intention.
  21. Bruticis Liturgist

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    Finally finished this last night and am now depressed it's all over. Game was awesome! If you haven't played this yet, you're a faggot. If you're faggot and you've played it, you're a true bro.
    I had a few incidents of rage with grappling and sea travel crashes. For some odd reason my game was buggy as fuck when my ship got near some of the islands south of Trinsic. If I was in overhead map view, the land masses would randomly switch and crash the game. A major fucking PITA when I was already docked and tried to disembark because you're forced into overhead map view. Aside from the crashing issues, game is nearly perfect.
    Now on to the U6P, any bug issues I should know about?
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    :bro: :yeah:

    When I played Lazarus in the U6 engine, it was a LOT more stable. Though the work on that is still in progress (most all of the grappling spots are broken).

    Make sure you have the latest version and the Patch 1.0.1. IIRC most every issue bug wise was addressed with that.

    The bug forum is here: http://www.projectbritannia.com/forum/i ... board=11.0

    I have not kept up on if any new bugs are still present, as I'm still patiently waiting for the 1.1 version. *sigh*

    I'm curious if you will make it all the way before rage-quitting like I did, over the dungeon designs.... ;)
  23. Heresiarch Scholar

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    Ultima Lazarus sucks gigantic pig cock. Last time I parked my ship on a beach of Buccaneer's Den, walked around a bit, got back to the boat, and fuck, the ship can't be moved, at all. I was stuck on the fucking ship. I needed to us Kal Lor or whatever spell to go back to LB's Castle. Then I realized you can't buy more ships in Britain. Shit shit shit shit I uninstalled it out of frustration.

    Just kidding; the real reason why I deleted the game was I went to New Magincia to check out the twin sisters who I fondly remember how beautiful they were. Then it turns out my taste was not the same as several years ago. They didn't attract me so much anymore. With a broken heart like discovering that someone you loved doesn't attract you anymore, I deleted the game.




    Actually, I've played Lazarus a few years ago and got very far, then I dropped it due to some other stupid games I guess. A few months ago I replayed it again and the damn ship bug really ruined my mood. Since I've replayed the damn game about a dozen times over the years but never got really far, my patience really wore out. So in both anger and great sadness I quit the game for good. I'm still feeling depressed today as Lazarus is a really really really good game. :(
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    I lost a ship in Lazarus due to that bug. It became immobile when I docked on some coast. No big deal, I went to a town and bought another one, and was more careful thereafter.

    You can LARP and say it was a shipwreck. :smug:
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    Can you install Lazarus on top of the Steam version of Dungeon Siege? I'm considering replaying it. (I had a not removed from inventory version of Dungeon Siege earlier, but I have wiped it off my hard drive now that I've got the Steam one.)

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