Game News The Witcher 3 delayed to February 2015

[Gerrard]

It's only because the quality of the 3D porn in TW2 was rather low. I think the character models are one of the areas in which they should improve in general.

 

[Servo]

Well, since they came clean about the bad deal they got with the console version, its become pretty clear that they used that garbage to hastily put together W2 - all with the cutup areas and QTEs and other console mechanics.

What is important now is that they are trying to make up for it. At least thats how it seems from info released so far.
Naturally, execution may turn out to be less then great in various parts of the game or its mechanics, but that we will get to see once it is released.

Even so, it will definitely be a better game then w2.

Wait, what did they come clean about? Where was this? Honestly I thought W2 was a big success (for them) and expected more of the same decline with W3.

The Witcher has always been an overrated action RPG with floaty combat, reasonably pretty graphics, and not a whole lot of substance. It's just a coincidence that its only major competitor is BioWare, who took it upon themselves to drop the publishing of RPGs. It honestly makes these games look too good in comparison, because they're really kind of flat.

I mean, I've played TW/TW2 and I didn't regret my purchase but I never played them more than once. They aren't classics or marvels of design. They're average games you play once for the story and slog through the gameplay just to reach the end, not out of any true enjoyment for it.

This describe just about every game I've ever played. Name a game that has more depth than Witcher 1 or 2.

 

[hiver]

Well, since they came clean about the bad deal they got with the console version, its become pretty clear that they used that garbage to hastily put together W2 - all with the cutup areas and QTEs and other console mechanics.

Wait, what did they come clean about? Where was this? Honestly I thought W2 was a big success (for them) and expected more of the same decline with W3.

There was a big article a month or two ago? i think its here in the news section too, somewhere. and should be easy to find online.
They talked about what actually happened behind the scenes at that time and how the console version almost ruined them completely.

They did not admit they used the failed parts of the console version - but thats rather obvious. Especially if you compare the pre-release dev statements about what they wanted to do with the game and what came out.

In such a situation i completely understand they would use what they could from that pile of crap.
It was do or die moment for them.

It's only because the quality of the 3D porn in TW2 was rather low. I think the character models are one of the areas in which they should improve in general.

The quality of 3D doesnt matter. You need to invest who knows how many hours and money to make them better - good enough to have those stupid soft porn scenes - and for what?

And no matter how much time and money you invest they will still look worse then those sex cards in art department - and therefore good taste.
The problem with sex cards was more of execution and various internet morons harping about how you play to collect them.

CDprojekt should have stuck to their guns there and maybe just changed how those are presented. More as memories they were supposed to be, actually - rather then any sort of "mini game" of collecting - which was never the intent and it was a product of cheap idiots minds.
- the game media kind.

 

[Infinitron]

Wait, what did they come clean about? Where was this? Honestly I thought W2 was a big success (for them) and expected more of the same decline with W3.

We're talking about the console version of Witcher 1, not Witcher 2.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...jekt-and-how-they-almost-went-bankrupt.87645/

 

[Servo]

Wait, what did they come clean about? Where was this? Honestly I thought W2 was a big success (for them) and expected more of the same decline with W3.

We're talking about the console version of Witcher 1, not Witcher 2.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...jekt-and-how-they-almost-went-bankrupt.87645/

So then I was right :s

 

[hiver]

Time lines...

After the Enhanced Edition of Witcher 1 (offered as a free patch for existing owners, as with The Witcher 2), work started on two projects at once: The Witcher 2 and The Witcher 3.

The Witcher 2 would be built on Aurora again for PC, but it only got as far as a tech demo -
The Witcher 2 on Aurora only got that far because at that point along came the big bad Witcher: White Wolf, which huffed and puffed and blew those plans down.

In May 2009, CD Projekt Red confirmed that work on The Witcher: White Wolf had been suspended.

In reality, everything had been thrown in the bin - nothing was reused.

oh sure...

On the back foot, CD Projekt Red scrapped The Witcher 3 and used the engine it had created to make The Witcher 2 instead. Only, the engine wasn't finished, so the first part of The Witcher 2 development was done blind, with nothing to prototype or test on.

mhhmmm...

The Witcher 2 took half the time to build that its predecessor did, despite being every bit as ambitious and with an engine to build as well.

Amazing stuff.

- was eventually released in May 2011

- as i said, i understand and sympathize completely.



- i guess its possible they just had much less time to finish do w2 properly because of this - which resulted in w2 as it is... massacred for consoles.
But just throwing everything away doesnt seem to make much sense to me. Rather, used what they could.

 

[set]

Name a game that has more depth than Witcher 1 or 2.

This is just a dumb question. It feels like trollbait. But imma answer it anyway, under the assumption we're talking about "games with more gameplay depth than W1 or W2".

BG,BG2,FO,FO2,DF,JA2,TO:LUCT,FFT,HoMM3,ToEE,Arcanum,EVE,PoE,SC,WC3,XCOM (original),SWAT4,Thief,Thief2,most roguelikes,Wasteland1,most Quake/URT games,Freespace,most grand strategy games... the list isn't that long (because games have to be 'accessible'), but anyone on this forum shouldn't have difficulty in citing more involved games, nevermind just more involved RPGs.

TW1/TW2 can be beaten without ever investing in the character building trees (which offer nothing interesting anyway) and abusing some of the dumb active spell mechanics (like invulnerability). Drink a few potions and swing your sword around like an idiot. I can't even remember any of the bosses, none of them ever required a specific or meaningful strategy. I recall one of TW2's bosses just being a big QTE fest and "memorize the two attack patterns". Nevermind the difficulty though, you're just not asked to do much, nor are the enemies particularly motivating at least in terms of strategy and tactics.

TW in terms of gameplay just doesn't ask much. It's not insultingly bad but it's way overrated. The second game got worse too, I remember the first game having much more character building choices, but TW2 is basically 4! character paths that don't deviate much from one another. It doesn't comfort me that TW3 will be open-world -- BioWare is pulling the same shit here, both of them are obviously going after the Skyrim Audience and we know how well that's going to go.

 

[Infinitron]

set Psst, check out Servo's post history in this thread.

 

[Servo]

You got me all wrong. I'm anything but a troll, except when it's very obvious/sarcastic. No, I'm genuinely and unashamedly an idiot. But set when you said you thought the Witcher games were "flat" and had no "substance" and lacked "enjoyment," I didn't realize you were talking exclusively about the combat. Combat aside, I think the games are arguably "deep" and "involved" from a writing/story perspective, even if said writing is mostly retarded.

BTW as much as I like to sound edgy I actually really like the Witcher games. But I have zero hope TW3 will be good at all.

 

[LivingOne]

It doesn't comfort me that TW3 will be open-world -- BioWare is pulling the same shit here, both of them are obviously going after the Skyrim Audience and we know how well that's going to go.

Considering their recent games have even worse gameplay than Skyrim,I don't see the problem.

 

[Infinitron]

It doesn't comfort me that TW3 will be open-world -- BioWare is pulling the same shit here, both of them are obviously going after the Skyrim Audience and we know how well that's going to go.

Considering their recent games have even worse gameplay than Skyrim,I don't see the problem.

Pretty much.

People are like "OH NOES THEY'RE RELEASING MULTIPLATFORM THAT MEANS IT'LL SUCK NOW".

I mean, "now"? Folks, Witcher 2 was a console game through-and-through, and designed for the Xbox 360 at that. It makes no difference that it took them a year to actually get the console version released. There was nothing "PC master race" about it other than the texture quality.

Unless writing quality somehow takes a serious nosedive, they really have nowhere to go but up with Witcher 3.

 

[Servo]

I thought the 360 version of TW2 was a console port of a PC game, whereas TW3 is being developed for consoles primarily simultaneously.

If that doesn't smell like decline I'm not sure what...

 

[MasPingon]

How soon hiver will be banned from TW forum? We need a poll.

 

[Excidium]

I thought the 360 version of TW2 was a console port of a PC game, whereas TW3 is being developed for consoles primarily simultaneously.

If that doesn't smell like decline I'm not sure what...

There's no fucking difference, I don't know if you played TW2 but the UI made it p. clear that it was a game made with consoles in mind.

 

[MasPingon]

I thought the 360 version of TW2 was a console port of a PC game

Do you believe everything CDPR says?

 

[Servo]

I thought the 360 version of TW2 was a console port of a PC game

Do you believe everything CDPR says?

No I just assumed since it came out like a year later...

But Excidium has a good point that the UI in TW2 was god awful, a pretty clear indicator of consolitis.

 

[Septaryeth]

I don't remember anything weird from TW2 dialogues.
As for TW1, I simply can't forget the line "abso-fucking-loutely beautiful"

Wait, who said that? Geralt?

Pretty sure it was Geralt,
somewhere at the beginning in chapter 2, where he ended up in jail after being arrested by the guards at the gate.

 

[Raghar]

Yes, the oldest one, Vesemir. Although that was most definitely a translation snafu as "Dziecinko" - depending on the context - may translate to either "Babe/Baby"(attractive woman) or "Child" (a young person).

Nation of pedophiles.

I looked around for other meanings, and found this gem:

pierodlić - to have sex
wypierdolić / wyjebać - to throw away
napierodlić / najebać - to get drunk
podpierdolić / podjebać - to steal something
wpierdolić / wjebać - hit someone
spierdolić / zjebać - to broke something
upierdolić / ujebać - to crumble something
rozpierodlić / rozjebać - to destroy somehing
przepierdolić / przejebać - to hit somebody / (the car hit lamp) in incident
opierdolić / ojebać- shouting at somebody / drink whole bottle of something

I guess the above is 1/3 of Witcher 3 vocabulary, thus you can safely play it in Polish.

 

[Darth Roxor]

przepierdolić / przejebać - to hit somebody / (the car hit lamp) in incident

lolwut

i believe someone confused przepierdolić with przypierdolić

man this list is not NEARLY complete

there are so many more meanings to each one, and then there come also the reflexive versions

i give it 3/10 for effort at best

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

TW2 writing was leaps and bounds above TW1.

TW1 example in Year in review 2008: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=181
Credit where it's due, they wanted to improve on their writing and they most certainly did in TW2.

Sex cards in TW1 were cool, sex cutscenes in TW2 were mostly awkward.

 

[Servo]

TW1 example in Year in review 2008: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=181

Holy hell I had forgotten how terrible this shit was