Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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The Valve and Steam Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Morgoth, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Medic Scholar Patron

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    Lol, you guys are really butthurt about sitting in one area for a couple of minutes? and how would you do the introduction? branching dialogue without consequences? no introduction at all, just shooting shit up? WTF
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  2. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Uh... make it so it can be skipped?
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  3. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Ahh, HL fanboys, the near relatives of Apple hipsters.

    "So what if I can't play an actual game on this platform? It's so groundbreaking, deep, insightful and well-designed! And look how powerful it is! Fuck you haters!"
    villain of the story Brofists this.
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  4. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    So what made HL so deep?

    Back when HL came out there were no retarded hipsters like Infinitron. And I don't remember HL2 played by any either. People just played games.
    This shit with HL(2) being unique, deep, emotionally engaging, complex, intelligent, sophisticated, smart, majestic while you just point your crosshair at enemy and twitch LMB until it dies is new to me.
    villain of the story Brofists this.
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  5. Medic Scholar Patron

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    That's your solution? just skip the dialogues, cut the content to go directly to shooting phase? lol, so your only problem is that you have to listen to dialogues for a couple of minutes?
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  6. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    Man, screw you. I didn't even play either game until many years after its release. I was an RPG elitist, who wouldn't touch any shooter, for the longest time.
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  7. Medic Scholar Patron

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    you retards are the only people saying HL is deep, I'm saying it's a great game which had incredible impact on FPS genre, and you even acknowledged that.
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  8. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Nothing really, HL series is as deep as a puddle. The first one was a decent shooter with some extended periods of all-too-unfortunate rail cart riding, some voiced NPCs and a Sinister Deus Ex Machina to assign too much significance to.
    HL2 is more of the same, except with the shooting bit being less exciting and the NPCs being a little more worked out. Still, you can essentially fit both the plot and any possible message and connotation of both games on the back of a matchbox, each. How either can be hailed as what they're hailed, fuck if I know.

    Of course, if you consider that HL1 came in at just the time when the prices on better PC components dropped significantly, it becomes a bit obvious that for many (not saying anyone on the boards here, but in general) it could've well been "Baby's First FPS", which in turn explains some other things about its popularity and over-interpretation.
    Twinkle and villain of the story Brofist this.
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  9. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    That's what I said.
    villain of the story Brofists this.
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  10. Stinger Augur

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    Probably for the same reason Bioware games are held up as having 'immersive' and 'well-written' storylines. Standards are low when you aren't exposed to other media/haven't really played many games with good writing.
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  11. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Yeah, pretty much that. Combine with "Baby's First FPS" and media hype, and you got a winner.
    villain of the story Brofists this.
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  12. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    It's funny that you say that.
    The person who convinced me to play HL (when I was bored out of my mind when I realized no more traditional D&D style RPGs were going to be released after Hordes of the Underdark and later NWN2) was my friend who is an English literature major and also one of the most brilliant people I know.

    He likes Half Life precisely because the story is understated, without much good writing - without much writing at all - but still well told, through environmental storytelling. He hates all videogame writing because he think it sucks compared to real literature. Yes, even Obsidian/MCA writing.
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  13. hiver Augur Dumbfuck White Knight

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    And what the fuck isnt new to you?

    Morons. The beauty of first Half Life was precisely in that that it wasnt the first for many, large majority of players.
    It did what no other FPS shooter did before it.

    Asswipes.

    Precisely.
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    Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Wasteland 2
    Looking cool gives him more of a combat benefit than being stealthy. Should be obvious.
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  15. villain of the story Unwanted

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    You gotta love it when little insecure losers start resorting to someone of unquestionable authority(tm) to try and secure their positions. "An English Lit. Major told me so". LOL
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    This point keeps coming up and nobody has yet explained just what it did that no other FPS* did before. But if you mean "no other FPS that I played", that would lend you some credibility.

    *: "FPS Shooter" LOL. Like "RPG game" or "RTS strategy".
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  17. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    WTF, that wasn't an appeal to authority. I don't even entirely agree with the guy - I think videogame writing can be pretty good. I'm an easy-going, non-dogmatic guy, who can enjoy many kinds of things - unlike some people.

    I was just trying to demonstrate that the point of view of somebody who finds HL's type of storytelling to be the best, isn't necessarily an ignorant one.
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  18. hiver Augur Dumbfuck White Knight

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    I dont care whether you agree or not. What he said is simply correct.
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  19. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Took place in a linear corridor?
    meh and villain of the story Brofist this.
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  20. Ed123 Arcane Patron

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    I too am a brilliant English Lit Major, and I can tell you that your friend is a dumbfuck.
    SoupNazi, Metro and villain of the story Brofist this.
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  21. villain of the story Unwanted

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    There is only one way to resolve this conflict. We add up and compare the brofists the proHL posts and the antiHL posts received.

    :troll:
    Wyrmlord, Ed123 and Angthoron Brofist this.
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  22. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    I will second that on both counts. Sorry, no. HL has no story. It's not understated. It just isn't there. There's presentation, and even that is largely absent; HL2 is the game that has a better job pulling off presentation/plot, if anything. HL's story is as involving and descriptive as Doom. You know, like in Doom you have corpses of Marines, each of them telling a unique experience of being a post-colonial marine having been mercilessly de-classed by a throng of repressed feminist imps.
    villain of the story Brofists this.
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  23. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    I was referring to the HL franchise as a whole, not to a particular game.
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  24. villain of the story Unwanted

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    Hey leave Doom alone, it at least came with a story in its readme.txt that's longer than the entire script of HL:

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  25. Cowboy Moment Arcane

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    Thing is, the story isn't so much understated, as just really simple. Limbo, for instance, has an understated story told through gameplay and the environment, that actually lends itself to multiple interpretations without being obtuse - and it has no writing at all, neither text nor voice acting. In comparison, HL2's story is just shallow, it basically consists of travelling between locations.

    Oh and my sister is working towards a Ph.D. in Classical Philology, and she agrees with everything I post.:smug:
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