Tacticular Cancer: We'll have your balls

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The Valve and Steam Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Morgoth, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    Well, I don't really remember anymore. I probably did realize at the time that the plague was controlled by these baddies, and also realized who the 'primary and secondary units' were.
    But I'm fairly sure I didn't realize UNATCO was a puppet organization for the bad guys until Lebedev and JC's capture.
    Walton Simons says 'he has someone in place' at UNATCO - which makes you think UNATCO maybe has a mole, not that the entire organization is just an arm of MJ12! (I guess he's referring to Manderley?)

    The mentions of the 'old men pretending to rule the world' and Gary Savage at Vandenberg meant nothing to me and I totally forgot them by the time they became relevant.
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    The camera is helpfully zooming on Manderley. You know, the head honcho.
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  3. Oriebam Formerly M4AE1BR0-something

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    It's not relevant, but still noteworthy that people were actually guessing the AI thing right in DE:HR, back before the leak when one of the first trailers was released. Anyone know if the developers went as far as stealing that idea dismissing that?

    Wait. So Deus Ex is actually cliché? :M

    I dunno man, only people in the intro that are directly mentioned are WS, Page and Savage...also a bunch of unimportant characters are shown

    WS outright threatens the families of NSF dudes, executes them and then chastises you for sticking around the first or second time you actually see him in-game and he's also nano augmented, not to mention e-mails and creepy demeanor that screams antagonist

    I dunno if you could say Savage is important to the plot(he's just the guy responsible for Vandenberg and the disaster at the Ocean Lab... his daughter too I guess) but IIRC whatever importance he has is already emphasized the second time he's mentioned/ first time he appears

    Page is actually implied to be eevul(outside the intro) only after you're back to the US for the second time , so I dunno, not like it would make any difference anyway if he was implied to be one of the good guys

    When I said the cause of the Plague I also meant the UC stuff, Versalife, I guess you can guess that

    UNATCO is actually seen as a issue by WS and Page for some reason and they specifically mention a single person inside, which doesn't necessarily mean "significant infiltration rate"

    Ambrosia is also said to be hard to make in large quantities by some characters... though that's right before the part when the player is supposed to be sure there's a konspiaracy IIRC

    I don't have an opinion on exposition, anyway that's it
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  4. Infinitron RPG Codex Staff Patron

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    In the lore, Gary Savage is said to be nothing less than the father of nanoaugmentation (what Hugh Darrow from DX:HR is for mechs).

    In the Missing Link DLC for HR, they tried to fit that into the timeline (because from the main game, it looked like Megan would turn out to be the mother of nanoaugmentation, if anyone).

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  5. Oriebam Formerly M4AE1BR0-something

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    Well, in DE he just makes his bros cause a disaster in a lab and fights the good fight with the cure or his scientists or something... oddly that wasn't very relevant to DE's plot

    also he gives you a quest to rescue his daughter
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    You don't learn that if you don't stick around.

    Uh, fundamental?
    He wouldn't have to be implied to be good, just a background character.

    Knowing the conspirators right off the bat kind of ruins the intrigue.

    Unless this single person is the fucking boss.
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    DraQ also lost his virginity at 11 and solved the Riemann hypothesis at 14. No wonder he uncovered the plot of Deus Ex from the intro, he's clearly a genius, as demonstrated by his clever presentation of arguments and the reading comprehension of an aspie.
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  8. Cocked Trigger Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Trigger Warning

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    I find it pretty hilarious that people constantly try to argue that HL1 is "nothing special", "not groundbreaking" and other variants trying to make it seem like the game was average or even sub-par (!!) These people would have us believe that it wasn't a huge step above....

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    ...in terms of graphics, level design, setting, atmosphere, environment, plot, weapon variety, and pretty much every other genre-defining criteria.

    As some would say, "r00fles!"

    HL1 delivered a surreal experience that changed the genre forever. Stop denying what you know is true.
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  9. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    So before HL there were no FP action games like System Shock and Strife? No Daggerfall and Uprising? Thief also doesn't count?
    Only Doom?

    So HL's "surreal experience" changed the genre by playing exactly like Quake but more linear and with cutscenes?
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    Well, technically speaking, anything is cliché to some extent, but well - the game itself uses genre and non-genre clichés much more sparingly than the intro, which is why it's so noticeable, for myself and as it would seem for DraQ at least. I suppose that for people unfamiliar with the genre it's not a biggie - as you and Infinitron point out in your own examples, but you have to consider that the writer/s actually were influenced by Cyberpunk and therefore could afford to be more selective with their own writings since it wasn't written by BioWare. The game itself shows that they can set up an intrigue and run with it in the CP way, the intro, on the other hand, does not. It can work for those that aren't too familiar with the genre though, I'll give it that.

    Oh yeah, and the voice acting is quite awful in that intro there, but this was the time when people didn't in particular give a shit, so it's not really on my complaints list.
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    Of course not BRO. Quake was clearly the better game

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    In HL you also get ammo and rockets and the point and shoot. But HL's ammo and rockets were washed in dragon's blood before being included into the game entirely built on Quake's engine? Is that right?
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    Yes. Built on Quakes engine in the sense that it no longer looks like a mid-90's era PoS.
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  15. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    It looks no different than Quake 2.
    The only difference is that Quake takes place in surreal hellish areas and HL takes place in offices (with latter being "surreal" and former being generic to a citizen of Lebanon I guess)
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    Surreal "EXPERIENCE" is different from a surreal "SETTING". But then again, what's so "normal" about HL1? You have aliens walking around Kiev attaching themselves on peoples' head?
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  17. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    How aliens on Earth in HL are different from aliens on Earth in Quake?

    Yeah there are no facehuggers from Alien movies that nonetheless are somehow much less effective when attacking Gordon. I guess that's what makes HL groundbreaking and not stupid mid-90s PoS like System Shock
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    [​IMG] detected.
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    Will you retards stop calling yourselves aspies ffs
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  20. Oriebam Formerly M4AE1BR0-something

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    asspie detected
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  22. Forgotten Friend Educated

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    Two things here.

    First off, it shows he's full of crap because I usually figure out the plot to virtually everything immediately in broad outline and it doesn't spoil it for me. I know what the fucking plot of spartacus is going to be, should I therefore not watch it? They put foreshadowing and even huge hints into almost every movie made, it's not like it's a secret.

    Second off, while the themes are obvious there's just no fucking way you could immediately know everything in Deu Ex in detail from the intro because while the theme is obvious there's just not enough info.

    So is it a guy who's full of shit or who is so clueless he never gets the picture and was amazed this time he did? We may never know.
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  23. Angthoron Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    So this is what it has come to.
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  24. MetalCraze Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    No what it has come to is that Draq became fucking lame and joined the "hardcore" crowd.

    LOL I figured out the plot of PS:T by reading the first letter.
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    I figured out the plot of Mass Effect 3 and it hasn't even been released yet!
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