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Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Humanity has risen!, Apr 6, 2010.

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What is the best Might & Magic game in the series?

  1. Might and Magic: Book I

    10 vote(s)
    2.2%
  2. Might and Magic II: Gates to Another World

    18 vote(s)
    3.9%
  3. Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra

    39 vote(s)
    8.5%
  4. Might and Magic: World of Xeen

    114 vote(s)
    24.8%
  5. Might and Magic: Swords of Xeen

    3 vote(s)
    0.7%
  6. Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven

    128 vote(s)
    27.9%
  7. Might and Magic VII: For Blood and Honor

    82 vote(s)
    17.9%
  8. Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer

    16 vote(s)
    3.5%
  9. Might and Magic IX

    4 vote(s)
    0.9%
  10. Might and Magic X

    45 vote(s)
    9.8%
  1. I'm With Her SausageInYourFacegender: ⚧ for prison Arcane Patron

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    I was never interested in blobbers as they always seemed to me so static and boring and too focused on the combat. However, I wanted to try something completely new this time and so I played and finished “M&M3: Isles of Terra”. Here are a few impressions:

    The sense of exploration in this game is simply great. A look at the world map alone makes you want to go on adventures. However, I soon realized that the gigantic continents of the world map can easily be traversed by simply making just a few steps in whatever direction. The world isn't that big at all. Specific obstacles like enemies, mountains and oceans stop you from being able to go everywhere right from the beginning without feeling like an artificial limitation. This makes the world seem much bigger than it actually is. The differently themed regions with their own unique enemies added to the feeling, as did Coraks notes on all the locations. When you later get access to different means of transportation and can teleport your ass from one part of the world to the next in an instant - it really gives you a sense of your progression.

    Since the enemies don't scale to your level it was a big part of the fun to come up with (more or less) creative strategies to deal with powerful enemies.. maybe I don't have too kill that Dragon when I can lure him away from his pile of gold and then simply teleport past him and loot his lair? Maybe a henchmen can help? Maybe this fountain that buffs my stats? The sense of accomplishment when you finally dealt with the problem was great and there are always nice rewards for a clever play style.. Teleporting from the +20-level-fountain directly into the cave of the Cyclops king and bash his head in was glorious.

    The puzzles..Maybe I am a moron or am simply not used to this kind of riddles, but I couldn't figure many of them out completely on my own. I always tried at first but then I had to resort to some walkthrough to at least get some hints. It definitely spices things up though and is a nice change from the all slaughter.

    The combat is simplistic, but as someone else said earlier in this thread (threads too big to find it now, sorry) – the simplicity actually helps because it does not get into the way of exploration. Connected to that is the fact that enemies don't respawn and you can clear out whole regions. These two elements keep tediousness to an absolute minimum.

    Two complaints: Quest items completely filling up your whole inventory. When you gather all those keys and keycards and orbs and artifacts they take up so much space! You either have to teleport way too much or you simply forget about the loot. This can get really annoying by the end of the game and is thus its biggest flaw for me.
    A more minor thing is the almost complete absence of a story. The setting is so imaginative .. why does the story then have to be reduced to two minor infodumps in the very last dungeon? The game also does not a good job in giving you objectives. Most of the time I had no idea what I was doing and why.

    I really had much more fun with this game than I expected and will definitely continue with this series (after a break to prevent burnout).

    (Does the story get better in the later games?)
     
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  2. octaviusgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Story gets slightly better in later games.
    Regarding item cluttering up inventory, you could always recruit some hirelings to keep the items for you.
     
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  3. Make America Great Again Rogueygender: ⚧ Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    I'm going to be the opposite of that guy.

    Against my better judgement I decided to reinstall my ancient CD copy of World of Xeen. It was awful. I can't believe I enjoyed this step-based, degenerate D&D-derived nonsense when I was younger. I guess it just goes to show that you can enjoy anything when you don't have anything better to do nor the proper context with which to judge it.

    I had forgotten how amazing the voice acting was, especially the intros. Stepping into an unashamedly sillier time.
     
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    Nice try Rougey but we have been trolled way better ;)
    Begone go back your Sawyer centric decline threads in popamole land
     
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  6. Luzurgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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    a 3 part interview with Tim Lang, designer of MMX:


    part 1


    part 2


    part 3
     
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  7. Luzurgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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    also, Grayface has made available a "Might and Magic Editor"

     
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  8. Abeliangender: ⚧ Somebody's Alt

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    I'm working on a MM 1&2 editor myself. I'll share it here once it's in a workable state.
     
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  9. Luzurgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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    yes you will share it alright, if you love your family.
     
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  10. Abeliangender: ⚧ Somebody's Alt

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    I forgot to make this clear, so as to not ruin codexers' expectations: I'm working on a savegame editor/trainer, but it won't have a level editor like Grayface's MMEditor. On the plus side, it will be a fully featured character editor, with editable character name, gender, class, ability scores, gold, food, age, experience, spell points, hit points, character condition, equipped items slots, inventory slots, plus a few others I forgot.

    My main motivation is the fact that MM1 kind of forces players to use the default characters (even if they can be renamed) since it's so hard to randomly generate characters with decent stats and even when the player creates a reasonable party, it has to survive encounters armed only with clubs and with no starting gold.
     
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  11. Luzurgender: ⚧ Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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    actually, that is good too, since there are very few trainers for those games around nowadays.
     
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    The first version of the MM1 Trainer is ready as an executable jar file. It's not complete yet, but it allows editing most character data. Fields I haven't figured out yet will remain unchanged when the output file is produced. The biggest remaining issues are editing the inventory, equipment, and current city (the user interface layout could also use some work).

    For the next version, I think I will make only the inventory slots editable, since I don't want to add logic for figuring out if characters are allowed to use the items in the equipment slots (ex. two-handed weapon while shield is equipped, weapons and armor class restrictions).

    Some disclaimers: I haven't added any data validation (since it's a somewhat tedious process), so don't try to set any values above 255 (except for gold and experience, where the limits will be 25599 and 65279, respectively) and no not try to use negative numbers. Also, do not type alphabetical characters in the numerical input text boxes (i.e. everything except the character name). Names should be shorter or equal to 15 characters. I haven't tested it with MM2, I just assumed it would work, since you can import the ROSTER.DTA file to MM2.

    To use the program, place a copy of the ROSTER.DTA file (found in the Might & Magic 1 install directory) in the same folder as "MM1 Trainer.jar" and then run the jar file. The application won't run if it doesn't find ROSTER.DTA. I mentioned it in the Help section, but you can't see it if the program doesn't run; I'll add a check in future versions.

    The application will write out an output file called ROSTER.DTA, but it will make a time-stamped backup copy of the original ROSTER.DTA as ROSTER.DTA.YYYYMMDDHHSS using the current date and time. If the edited version is messed up, you can delete it and rename ROSTER.DTA.YYYYMMDDHHSS back to ROSTER.DTA

    I would appreciate any constructive feedback, which can be posted in this thread or via PM.
     
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    Bros, until MMX comes out I am going to replay MM7 for a few days with a widescreen mod and mouselook. Can any of you guys recommend any fun, non-orthodox party lineups to play with?
     
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    Just play without knights, clerics and sorcerers. Any combination without those should be pretty fun/unorthodox. Though make sure to get the classes you need for the grandmaster magic that you want :)

    Skills to focus on would be Unarmed/Dodge, Grandmaster Daggers maybe. Stuff like that.
     
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    The all-Knight all-night party is always fun.

    Grunker's broad suggestion also makes for a large number of fun combinations, since it excludes Dark and Light (not that much of an issue in 7 since they're very late-game), and it also excludes GM in any magic school (not sure what G. was referring to in the last bit). All-druid could be a fun, though quite tough in parts party. Or you could go for something like Palladin-Archer-Monk/Rogue-Druid, covers most bases but still un-orthodox compared to the more traditional parties.

    Or if you really want to gimp yourself go Ranger-Ranger-Ranger-Ranger.
     
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  16. Brosephgender: ⚧ Filthy Degenerate Dumbfuck

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    I went with Monk/Paladin/Thief/Druid. I've never GM'd alchemy before so it might be interesting.
     
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    I've made a lengthly write-up in my VII LP (iirc), but if you need shorter rules, here they are. First, there are three useless classes:

    Ranger - can't do jack. They're just useless.

    Rogue - they don't tank/deal damage as good as the knights/monks (that "triple the dagger damage + skill added to dagger damage" of GM dagger looks sweet, the only problem is, it triples only the damage of the dagger itself, no other bonuses added, meaning it is 10% to deal extra 4d6 + 14 damage= extra 2.8 damage per attack on the average... yeah). And thieving skills are useless because traps are meaningless in M&M VI-VII and stealing is pointless as there's too much money in the game and no way of spending it.

    Druid - can't learn gm magic = can't do shit. Also, with two easily accessible black potion shops in the game, GM alchemy is kinda useless.

    Otherwise, just combine other classes knowing that:

    Knight & Monk are decent damage dealers/tanks, you can build them either way. For damage dealing capacity, overtrain (meaning gain 10+) armsmaster/unarmed, for tanking capacity, go bodybuilding. Theoretically, monks should be better than knights because of their GM learning and tons of extra experience gained, but practically there's extremely little monster XP in the game so that advantage is kinda lost. Otherwise, knight are better damage dealers (they can wield 2 artifact weapons whereas monk is limited to one non-artifact staff) while monks are better tanks (because of unarmed evade chance).

    Paladin is worse tank/dd than either of them, and his magic is kinda crap/redundant, however, his strength is GM mace. If you train him properly, he has 20-30% to paralyze enemy per hit and that's a freaking lot. I'd suggest 2-3 paladins in the party if you want to play that way.

    Archer is all about his bow - as is seen in my LP, they can go crazy with it. Still, 2-3 are required for this tactic to work.

    Massed clerics can be interesting - unlike elemental magic, self-magic en-masse is not ridiculous (it's rather weak, in fact), so the game will retain it's challenge. Just remember to abuse initiate+prelate followers. Just go light way with this party - dark path will be too easy.

    Sorcs are sorcs, they're awesome and they're cool and they're the funnest way to play this game but most people avoid it because they think they're broken. Well, their loss. If you also feel that way, you might try singleton ligt sorc. Perfectly doable and still interesting.
     
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    Maybe I'll restart with a party of four monks. :lol:
     
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    I'd definetely recommend monks, they're p. fun.

    I was mixing up playthroughs, thinking Druids could GM Earth Magic!
     
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    Version 1.01 of the MM1 Trainer is ready. Changes from version 1.0:
    - can set gems for each character
    - can set maximum spell level (0-7)
    - can set the items in the inventory slots
    - slightly more presentable UI

    I'm not going to make the equipment slots editable, since it would be too tedious to code in the class and alignment restrictions for each item. With editable inventory slots, any item can be added and the game can deal with the logic for checking restrictions. I still need to add data validation, so use only values between 0 and 255, inclusive.
     
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    I've been slowly playing Might and Magic I: Secret of the Inner Sanctum on my laptop whenever I'm on the move.
    Goddamn the game is fun. I've only mapped out (using Grid Cartographer, awesome utility) Sorpigal and the dungeon below it, just popped out my head on the surface. Using default party, all I do is make sure they get max hitpoints per level, which is starting hitpoints am I right? So if my dude had 12 hitpoints level 1, the maximum he could get is 24 at level 2.
    Have to admit I'm not going in full blind, as I check out maps online after I map them to see stuff I've missed and shit. Also it'll propably take forever anyway, so a little bit of added help won't hurt.
     
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    Hmm...don't you always get a fixed amount of HP at level up, the only factors being your class and your Endurance? Been a while since I played, so I may be wrong, though.
     
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    I've gotten as little as 2 HP and as much as 12 HP per level, so it's definitely random. Regarding the maps, they are included the in MM1 cluebook, that comes included as an extra with the GOG.com version.
     
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  24. Humppalekagender: ⚧ Arbiter

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    I tried to find info about that online back when I started the game but my googlefu wasn't strong enough. It is definitely random though, and I went to the trainer so many times I think it caps out at your starting hitpoints (or more like whatever factors into that). That has been my guideline and now at party level ~3 everyone is at triple the hitpoints they started with.
     
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    Since we are reminiscing about the older M&M games, when the florious revival of the new age of the series is upon us, I would like to say that the opening of M&M 6 is one of the most kickass of any crpg. It really, really sets yo in the mood to do some exploring, and uncovering the mystery of whom the outer space invaders are. And of course, to avenge beloved Sweetwater :(

    Sadly, they had a ridiculously retarded opening in MM:7, which IMO was a superior game (but not by much, MM 6 was superb). You are immediately thrust into a stupid scavenger hunt, with non nonsensical items to find, and you start on an island, immediately mentally shutting you in and giving you the impression of a smaller world. Contrast that with MM 6's opening that showed the entire globe giving you a sense of opening and wonder.
     
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