The Codex of Roguelikes

[Fenix]

I have 2 wins with 15 rune, first VSTm of Chei, second DEWz of Chei, my CiP OgTm of Chei, looks like I abandoned him, because he is too OP, absolutely uninteresting build. Giant Spiked Club all the way to Zot and to the exit.

 

[Jack Dandy]

Aight, another Brogue run. Got my +5 Health Charm, an angry flail, and I am good to go!

Also, had a really dumb death a little while ago. Had lots of badass equipment.. Met a goblin shaman. Stepped in a paralysis trap, and got scratched to death by phantom swords. Bullshit

 

[getter77]

Reminder to all Brogue players: Forays into Norrendrin is still awesome and will hopefully have a nice random update randomly soon, The Ground Gives Way still has a massive update on the way, and Dungeons of Everchange is still coming up nicely on the heels of that pretty robust alpha update a few weeks back: http://www.darkgnosis.com/

 

[you know what time it is]

Is there any info on ToME updates (specifically Orc expansion)? Had an urge to play it again, but Insane is a bit too much for me (with my luck i always get at least 2 Uniques on the very first level), whilst Nightmare doesn't seem to be challenging enough anymore.

 

[Fenix]

Huh, I started as Archmage on Insane, Uniques and Bosses on first floor in Abashed Expance, it's nota problem, real problem is bug - some of those tasty bosses just disappeared without trace. Very discouraging move.

 

[Jack Dandy]

And I died to an ogre! Fucking stupid. Fucking fucking fucking stupid. Why the hell did I think I could take him on with just some leather armor? Why? What made me stupid?

getter77 Oh yeah, I heard there were some Brogue forks. Care to give me the run-down on the big ones? What makes 'em special?

 

[getter77]

Well, these aren't actually forks at all---that's the beauty of it: They are inspired by Brogue, at least in part, but each plays out very differently even if the same "feel" as Brogue that is a bit distinct compared to pretty well all other Roguelikes. Sort of a parallel, semi-independent evolution kind of thing.

Forays has a nice character advancement system that is fairly meaty and supports all sorts of playstyles. It has been around awhile now, just updates at random, but usually they are of the Big Time variety.
The Ground Gives Way is...just insane on the detail and degree(light and sound matter more than most/all Roguelikes) of fleshing things out in terms of balance. The next update will overhaul downright fundamentals of it---so yeah.
Everchange is the scrappy newcomer seemingly primed to leverage and fuse The Brogue Feel with trappings of more traditional Roguelikes alongside radical notions like the game only shifting to turn based when combat intrigue is afoot. Currently, it reads about like this---which speaks volumes for an early access state:

Dungeons of Everchange Features:

• Still in development: Leveling system
• Still in development: Perks
• Skills
• Action is real time, although if any monsters get aggressive, it turns turn-based.
• Permadeath: no save, no load.
• No shops.
• Freedom in handling items: you may combine, throw, eat, drink anything eatable, drinkable, throwable. It may result in severe outcome, of which death is a most severe one.
• Secret rooms
• Traps
• ... and many more yet to be discovered.

 

[Harg Harfardarssen]

I've been listening to the Roguelike Radio podcast recently. It's pretty decent, with the makers of most major roguelikes making an appearance on one or more episodes. I think it's panelists tend to be a little too dismissive of the purist position though.

 

[jcd]

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[Fenix]

I'm the butterfly's master, and stronger than you. )

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[Zdzisiu]

I'm the butterfly's master, and stronger than you. )

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Jesus Fucking Christ, what is this monstrosity. You going for 15 rune win?

 

[Fenix]

Yep. )) Actually I abandoned this monster more than month ago, because feel boring.
Need to collect will in a fist, and finish it. I collected almost all as I see.

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[tdphys]

Yep. )) Actually I abandoned this monster more than month ago, because feel boring.
Need to collect will in a fist, and finish it. I collected almost all as I see.

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I kind of have the same motiviation problem, the fun part for me is taking a non-viable build and trying to get it to stay alive.

I just cleared lair and mines with a draconian warper qazlal... and got a +13 scythe(drain,curse) from acquirement with a +5 ring of slaying, and now things feel a little more ... bla ...

Can somebody weigh in on the what brogue brings different to a crawl then DCSS?

Cheers

 

[jcd]

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[getter77]

An ambitious new contender enters out of nowhere, drawing heavily upon ADOM and Omega, shooting for roughly monthly updates---looks quite promising: Just has a dropbox link if you back out to the main Roguebasin page, but the main site is coming soon.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Shadow_of_the_Wyrm

Dev chatter from when it had a different name and was even more of an outlier a couple days back:

http://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg43712#msg43712

 

[Fenix]

wonder how much you have to play to be able to pull off shit like that.

How much in game turns? 373 K, it is much in DCSS standards, but as you see I'm like a crow dragging everything in a nest, it took time.

 

[getter77]

..Annd out of nowhere he's another d20 OGL project launching at v1.0 with the power of Java: Javelin https://javelinrl.wordpress.com/

Javelin is a free open-source single-player role-playing game written in Java that uses d20 as the rule system – more widely known as Dungeons and Dragons (versions 3.0 and 3.5). It draws heavy inspiration from many other video games, from Jagged Alliance and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup to Pokémon and the Dragon Quest series.
Features

True artificial intelligence with easily customizeable thinking time!
Uses a d20 (D&D) variant rule system, balancing classic hack-and-slash with a more dynamic turn sequence!
Party-based gameplay - control one or more squads, not just a single hero!
You choose how to level up your team!

 

[jcd]

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[pakoito]

It's based off tyrant and GNU, for what's worth

https://github.com/mikera/tyrant

 

[Fenix]

I was interested in the real life hours you've spent in the game, probably many hundreds?

You mean this run? If yes - not at all. It is an Ogre with innate +30% to HP after all.
If you mean entire game - yes. I played it 3 years.
First two DCSS beat shit out of me...

 

[jcd]

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[Zdzisiu]

Whew, glad to see I'm not that weak. I played a few years ago back in the 0.12 days, and only came back to the game recently. I know that complete runs can probably easily take under an hour if you're experienced.

Current fastest 3 rune win is 20 minutes and some seconds. Dont ask me how, I have no idea.

 

[Damned Registrations]

An ambitious new contender enters out of nowhere, drawing heavily upon ADOM and Omega, shooting for roughly monthly updates---looks quite promising: Just has a dropbox link if you back out to the main Roguebasin page, but the main site is coming soon.

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Shadow_of_the_Wyrm

Dev chatter from when it had a different name and was even more of an outlier a couple days back:

http://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=4728.msg43712#msg43712

Sadly this one is so ambitious it apparently requires 64 bit operating systems.

 

[Fenix]

I everytime forgot which is which system - XP mostly which? 32 bit I guess, so this new game need newer system?

 

[Zdzisiu]

I everytime forgot which is which system - XP mostly which? 32 bit I guess, so this new game need newer system?

Yeah, most XP are probably still 32-bit. But there are 64-bit versions of XP AFAIK.

Or you could maybe upgrade to 7 at least. It is not bad right now, not bad at all.