In Progress The Calamitous Chronicle of the Codex Cannibals

[Nevill]

I more and more dislike Nevilles tactic of murdering the lurkers and his reasoning. Rather take a chance and murder someone that is at least semi-active. You all forget that additional innocents matter the most in the last few days.

Oh?

You know, it's been 3 days, and you only disliked it after everyone could see that this was a miss. Not before, not when the vote was going on, but right 1 hour after. Why would that be?

I'll tell you why. Because you didn't know for sure. That's what happens with the lurkers - you carry them with you to the endgame, and even in the end you know nothing about them. Are they the killers? Are they innocent? Who knows, there is no way to tell.

Besides, who is that semi-active person we are supposed to be killing? I already stated I am not going to vote Dr. Best and Grimgravy. hello friend? Somehow I doubt he would stay silent and let himself be murdered. You?

It was not even my suggestion. You are talking as if it is in my power to kill anyone, which is just not true.

Nevill I've been wondering, why do you assume Grimgravy to be innocent? You just kinda threw that in there, and never said more about it.

It's a combination of factors. He does not excel at pretending/intrigue in general, was one of the first to post in the thread, and the content of his posts suggests it.

I only assume he is likely to be innocent, I don't have hard proof.

 

[Duraframe300]

I more and more dislike Nevilles tactic of murdering the lurkers and his reasoning. Rather take a chance and murder someone that is at least semi-active. You all forget that additional innocents matter the most in the last few days.

Oh?

You know, it's been 3 days, and you only disliked it after everyone could see that this was a miss. Not before, not when the vote was going on, but right 1 hour after. Why would that be?

I'll tell you why. Because you didn't know for sure. That's what happens with the lurkers - you carry them with you to the endgame, and even in the end you know nothing about them. Are they the killers? Are they innocent? Who knows, there is no way to tell.

Besides, who is that semi-active person we are supposed to be killing? I already stated I am not going to vote Dr. Best and Grimgravy. hello friend? Somehow I doubt he would stay silent and let himself be murdered. You?

It was not even my suggestion. You are talking as if it is in my power to kill anyone, which is just not true.

f.

I didn't know ANYTHING, because I was RL at several christmas partys by friends and family (and one by me which I had to prepare) on the codex I only did the christmas giveaway and a random gd\jrpg post.
And I've been expressing that concern for a while now

We did that last game as well. Excommunicator was executed because he didn't say anything.

The reason I didn't say that much last game was because it lead to the killing of innocents and as such played right into our hands as killers.

And yeah possibly eat me. I know I'm innocent but eating me would at least mean we can unify at non-lurkers.

 

[Nevill]

And yeah possibly eat me. I know I'm innocent but eating me would at least mean we can unify at non-lurkers.

That's a strange reasoning if I ever heard one.

But why don't you try your hand at this next time? Because each time I do something of that sort, I end up looking like a suspicious douche who tries to hang obvious innocents despite their loud protests.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Calm down, men. We need to decide in fair ways who to kill.

Everyone post your weight. We kill the fattest.

I'm 140 lbs.

 

[Doktor Best]

Its still night though. We have to see who lives to see the day.

 

[Nevill]

...it's night time. Only the killers decide whom to kill.

 

[Tigranes]

DAY 3 BEGINS.

Bellies full, and brains not so full, the Codexers drifted into a deep sleep that night. The Jew may not have been the killer, but no Jew is ever innocent, right? It was one reassuring thought in the face of the Codexers' ever-closer doom.

But the night would provide little respite. The killers, trained well by years of all-night savescumming, were sharp and alert. If someone were awake to see - were they? - they would have seen the killers exit the ever more dank and smelly cave, a single, soundly asleep body between them.

When day broke, the Codexers rose earlier than before; perhaps the energy from last night? A head count yielded the disturbing absence of one of their number, and the Codexers' first task for the day was to find him.

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About seven minutes' walk South from the cave, Deuce Traveler was the first to spot it. A small, abandoned forest cabin! It is a testament to the Codexers' sloth that they had slept two nights in a cave without discovering a perfectly habitable domicile.

Yet upon entry, the cabin seems no longer really habitable - at least, not after what must have happened just hours ago. A ghastly stench has covered the cabin top to bottom, and grisly bits of meat are still plopping out, with a thud, from a meat grinder that is now mostly pounding on air. The bulk of the mince, it seems, has already been removed from inventory.

The confirmation comes in a nearby table, where the head of the victim has been spared the grind. The pained, yet surely innocent, visage of Duraframe stares back at them. An arrow sticks out of his head; plucking it out, the Codexers find that it is some kind of shoddy, hand-made job. Was this fired from a bow, and caused the death? Or was it planted after as some kind of message? Without a forensic pathologist, it is difficult to say. Finally, a small note lies nearby:

""Spy Shot In Face. obsidian romance ends. vicious end regrettable."

The Codexers take a moment to consider the implications. At last, someone speaks the thought shared by the others:

"Do you think we can eat the head?"

6 alive. All special roles alive. 4 to kill.

 

[Duraframe300]

So long
Remember my advi... Do... ust..vil...

 

[Grimgravy]

Well crud. That could have gone better.

 

[hello friend]

I ACCUSE Mr. Pink.

This zany act is rustling my jimmies. Such innocuousness arouses my suspicion.

 

[Mr. Pink]

What a rotten way to go.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

Alright, I think I can make a rundown of who was going against whom and try to figure out who the killers are now. Going back to older posts, this is what I have:

Corporate_Jew_Master
- Suggested lynching Nevill

Deuce Traveler
- Suggested lynching hello friend

Doktor Best
- Accused Nevill twice
- Accused CJM

Duraframe300
- Wanted to lynch CJM
- Hinted at wanting to eat Grimgravy
- Beat around the bush on accusing Nevill
- Suggested lynching a semi-active player, but never stated whom
- Got into an argument with Nevill

Grimgravy
- Suggested on killing a lurker, but never stated which was the lurker he wanted until the CJM bandwagon started
- Accused CJM

hello friend
- Looked to accuse Deuce Traveler
- Accused Doctor Best
- Started working with Nevill on guessin the killer
- Accused Mr. Pink

Mr. Pink
- Talked of lynching Nevill, but never straight out accused
- Talked of being confused
- Accused CJM
- Suggested killing the fattest person twice, but never stated whom except to point out his own skinniness

Nevill
- Talked about eating Viata
- Talked of lynching CJM
- Talked of lynching Deuce Traveler
- Talked of eating Doktor Best, then talked about him being an innocent twice
- Believed Grimgravy was an innocent
- Accused CJM

Viata
- Kind of wanted to be more of a peace maker...

Of course, Corporate_Jew_Master, Duraframe300, and Viata are dead. CJM lynched by group vote and the other two murdered. So far out of the survivors, this is who seems to get along and not get along:

Doctor Best seems to be antagonized by Nevill. If he is the killer, possibly paired with Deuce Traveler (adding myself for discussion purposes), Grimgravy, hello friend, and Mr. Pink.

Grimgravy gets along with everyone right now, but has hinted on killing lurkers without stating whom. Slightly bloodthirsty and could be teamed up with anyone.

hello friend tried to accuse Deuce Traveler, Doctor Best and Mr. Pink. If he is the killer, possibly paired with Nevill who he openly discusses with and maybe Grimgravy.

Mr. Pink has instigated a little, but has argued with Nevill. If he is the killer, possibly paired with Deuce Traveler, Doktor Best, Grimgravy, and hello friend.

Nevill has pretty much accused or pissed off everyone. He talked of lynching Deuce Traveler, but he also accused Doktor Best before defending the good doctor twice. Still, might be paired with Grimgravy, hello friend or Mr. Pink.

Deuce Traveler suggested lynching hello friend. If I am the guilty party, I would probably be paired with Doktor Best, Grimgravy, Mr. Pink or Nevill.

Now if I were to cross reference all of these, I can narrow it down further. For example, Mr. Pink kinda accused Nevill at one point, though Nevill never verbally attacked Mr. Pink. I would say these are the likely pairs as they have ignored one another:

Deuce Traveler and Mr. Pink
Grimgravy and Doktor Best
Nevill and hello friend

What do you guys think? What am I missing?

 

[Grimgravy]

Ignoring each other doesn't mean much sadly. We don't have a whole lot to go on in this format. In person, there's body language, tone, and what have you. And presumably you know your fellow players a bit more than we know each other. The stalker should have more info unless he's been incredibly unlucky and his stalkees are dead. The trick would be him getting that info to the rest of us without getting ganked in the night.

 

[hello friend]

Good and interesting write-up, all the same.

PS. Deuce Traveler I never accused you. I just... implied. Get your facts straight!

 

[Doktor Best]

Will be more tough now not to hit a special character, but also more likely to kill off a murderer. I also dont think ignoring eachother means something, as the killer pair will most likely throw in some decoy flare.

 

[Nevill]

So, what now? As long as the doctor is alive, there is still hope. The chances to heal the intended victim rise as the number of people goes down, buying some time.

 

[Tigranes]

Ignoring each other doesn't mean much sadly. We don't have a whole lot to go on in this format. In person, there's body language, tone, and what have you. And presumably you know your fellow players a bit more than we know each other. The stalker should have more info unless he's been incredibly unlucky and his stalkees are dead. The trick would be him getting that info to the rest of us without getting ganked in the night.

This is true. In my experience, online mafia benefits from people making strong accusations, forcing others to defend themselves, making predictions or even bets (kill X, if he is innocent kill me), etc. Perhaps because it is early days, I think Codexers have all been pretty reticent. But now, time is running out for the innocents...

 

[Nevill]

Fine. Let's rock the boat.

I ACCUSE Mr. Pink! If he is innocent, you can hang me the next day (we'll be losing 90% of the time anyway).

I already stated my observations. Dr. Best and Grimgravy are not the ones I suspect. Obviously, I do not suspect myself.

That means that from my perspective there are 2 killers in the hello friend, Deuce Traveler and Mr. Pink trio. Last time I tried guesswork, I got at least that broad part correctly. It's a 33% chance to miss, and a 66% chance to affect a hostile. It makes it worth it in my book.

His confusion at what is going on is reminiscing of that of Duraframe's in the last game, and since that's where I failed hard, it rubs me in a wrong way.

If the stalker checked Mr. Pink and found them innocent, they'd better come forward, because lynching an innocent at this stage makes us but 1 step removed from a fail condition. Thankfully, there is always the doctor to heal the stalker.

Come on, people, let's try working together for once!

 

[Doktor Best]

I am the stalker, and you are guilty as fuck Nevill.

I knew it since the first night, got lucky i guess. But i didnt want to blow my cover yet so i went ahead and threw out my accusations on you as bait to see your reaction (you dont like being presented with unpredictable behaviour), and more importantly, the reaction of your mysterious friend. As you were always standing close to the cooking pot i knew your complice couldnt join in on the accusation because that could have backfired way too easily. So i wanted to see who stays silent or acts "confused", or maybe even comes to your aid. Sadly, my plan didnt really work since nobody joined in on the accusations anyways.

I knew you couldnt risk to kill me off because if i was the stalker as you suspected, killing me would indefinitely lead to you being killed off too early. So i lived through the night and stalked hello friend, as i assumed him coming to your aid would be an attempt to let people lose focus on you. I know, it was a bad choice, it was way too obvious.

You and Mr Pink were fighting too much to be complices, hello friend is doctor/innocent. My final guess is that the second killer is either Grimgravy or Deuce Traveler. Either that or you and Pink are playing a very dangerous, yet effective game.

And you are right, we cannot risk killing another innocent, so i have to ACCUSE Nevill, the only person in this game who is definitely guilty. And sorry folks if i messed up. Its the first time i am playing this game on a forum and i dont really know what im doing.

Ah yes and a shoutout to the doctor, save my ass this night.

 

[Nevill]

This is definitely getting interesting. Because you see, I am the stalker. And I have investigated Mr. Pink tonight.

I did investigate Viata the first night (no way I was going to go through guessing his role again), and Mr. Pink on the second. I never even thought of checking you. I thought I could force the accomplice out (since hello friend pointed at Pink seemingly at random), but I didn't think it would be you.

Well, I guess I was wrong. You are the second killer. And it looks you are desperate. I bet once the plan with the doctor got revealed, you didn't like your odds with the doc still in play.

I knew you couldnt risk to kill me off because if i was the stalker as you suspected

You are trying to muddle the waters. Not once did I suspect you being a stalker. Guess why.

Killing the stalker lets you attempt to win the game through sheer numbers. If we hang you or Pink, you are doomed. That's why you 'outed yourself' when you did.

So i lived through the night and stalked hello friend, as i assumed him coming to your aid would be an attempt to let people lose focus on you.

You and Mr Pink were fighting too much to be complices, hello friend is doctor/innocent

The very fact that you don't know who hello friend is, even though you have supposedly 'investigated' him, speaks volumes.

Everyone but themselves is a doctor/stalker/innocent to the killers. They are just not sure who is who.

 

[Doktor Best]

I know who he is, but i wont give you the necessary info to decide wether its worth to kill him (aka if hes the doctor or not). Also, why should i be desperate? Not once did the victim get saved by the doctor. 3 Innocents are dead, the killers are leading by far and even if one killer gets exposed there will still be the second one. Exposing myself grants me absolutely zero benefit if i was the killer. The only thing thats happening is that i am trading my life for one kill, a kill i could get anyways by a chance of 75% without sacrificing myself.

And what "plan with the doctor"? Why should i fear you stalking me if you were 1)always believing im innocent, and 2) you were also stating several times that you believe im innocent?

 

[Nevill]

Also, why should i be desperate?

Oh, good question. Let's see.

If we hang Pink tonight, it's you against 4 - with a stalker and a doctor. If I out myself, the doctor heals me, giving me several turns to find out a culprit in a very limited circle of people. You'd also have to kill someone other than me, trying to find the doc first, and narrowing it further.

In other words, once we hang Pink, you are boned, whether you decided to hide or not. Sure, you are the last person I suspected, but I'd get to you eventually, and we'd hang you. So you've shown yourself early, trying to accuse me yet again and hoping it would stick. If you hang me, then you win for sure. So you risked it.

Looking back at the thread, I see it's not the first time you and Pink are collaborating.

And what "plan with the doctor"? Why should i fear you stalking me if you were 1)always believing im innocent, and 2) you were also stating several times that you believe im innocent?

Because once I would run out of suspects (there aren't too many left), I'd turn back to you.

A stalker in the game, a single killer that can't kill for sure (thanks to the surviving doc), and 4 innocents to go... it is just a matter of time.

 

[Doktor Best]

"Eventually", when it would be too late Also you speak as if Mr.Pinks lynching would already have been decided, yet it was only you who accused him. If i was in a killteam with mr.pink there still would not be any danger. Also, if i was collaborating with mr.pink, wouldnt you think he would have joined in on the accusation, just to put you into defensive mode a bit more?
Nah, you cannot pin desperation on me, if i was the killer i would have nothing to fear.

I would like to ask Tigrane wether i am allowed to PM hello friend ONCE to tell him wether hes innocent, or the doctor, to strengthen my credibility without putting the doctor in danger.


And one more thing. Shortly before i revealed myself your exact words were "if the stalker found mr.pink to be innocent, he should better come forward now". Yet one post later you stated that you are the stalker. That doesnt really fit together with your story that you would have planned to be revealed as stalker and let the doctor heal you.

 

[Nevill]

Also you speak as if Mr.Pinks lynching would already have been decided, yet it was only you who accused him.

Me and hello friend. Tigranes suggested a good way to do it, so I went with it.

Also, if i was collaborating with mr.pink, wouldnt you think he would have joined in on the accusation, just to put you into defensive mode a bit more?

It's not like he didn't before.

Spoiler

I posted:

I VOTE Doktor Best. Just not a fan of saving best for last.

The very next post:

I VOTE Nevill for no reason in particular

And it is quite often you post in succession:

Looks like someone couldnt wait the night!

Yum yum eat em up

Calm down, men. We need to decide in fair ways who to kill.

Its still night though. We have to see who lives to see the day.

Hindsight 20/20.

Yet one post later you stated that you are the stalker. That doesnt really fit together with your story that you would have planned to be revealed as stalker and let the doctor heal you.

I knew no one could step forward to defend him because there is no other stalker but myself.

Revealing myself before I have proof of my innocence leads to the 'I am Spartacus!' shouting contest, the one you are attempting to save your friend. If you can outshout me (with your two voices against my one, because your team knows each other and mine doesn't), everyone loses. You just kill a person at night, and then it's 2 vs. 2, an autoloss.

I did plan on revealing myself after we hang Pink.

 

[Doktor Best]

yes but he didnt join in on the accusation when it was important (aka when i accused you) instead he wrote "i dont know who to accuse anymore". A statement that hurt my plan because it undermined my accusation.

2 more thoughts:

1)if i was the killer, youd already be dead. youre way too dangerous to be kept alive
2) why should tigrane make you a special innocent character two times in a row?

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