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The BioWare and Mass Effect Thread!

Discussion in 'Stuff that Jaesun thinks is shit' started by Wyrmlord, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. CROmagnon Learned

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    Ok Bros! I know i've been posting way too much images, especially for a newfag, but these are worth it.

    This one is real.

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    This one is :troll:for reasons I hope I don't have to explain. (HARBINGER!!!!!)

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    Now I wonder what would happen if, say for instance, racofer or Crustybot or someone else with a BSN account (I don't have one) posted the second one in a heated thread about the indoctrination ending? Hmm? I really don't know. :)

    The paths are clear Codex. Do what you must!

    Also, I lifted the images from 4chan so I can't take credit for them.
  2. racofer Thread Incliner

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    Fuck, I was about to post that!

    THE ENDING IS AN HALLUCINATION! THE KID IS IN SHEPARD'S MIND ONLY!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
  3. CROmagnon Learned

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    So is "Andhaira" going to BSN racofer?
  4. racofer Thread Incliner

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    Can't post that in the Halollucionation thread. That area is locked for loyal Biodrones that paid for that "game". :lol:
  5. CROmagnon Learned

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    Aw shit!

    Well someone will do it eventually. I give it 24 hours max before it turns up on BSN.

    That place will explode. Think of the thousands in that place looking for hope that they can be reunited with their waifu and husbandu.

    Makes my eyes water.:lol:
  6. racofer Thread Incliner

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    http://www.thevine.com.au/life/tech/mass-effect-3-and-the-ending-debacle20120314.aspx

    Last week, I let my Mass Effect 3 review slip out, and it was, if you recall, overwhelmingly positive. No game series has achieved as much, be it with story, or character development, or action or even scope, as the Mass Effect series has done. And possibly the greatest element of Mass Effect, and the core of what Bioware has become great at, is choice. Choices and the consequences of said choices are the spinal column of the big, lumbering, wonderful beast that is the Mass Effect trilogy. Everything you do can, and will, yield results down the line.

    That is, until the end of Mass Effect 3. As you may have heard, the internet has somewhat exploded with justifiable, and pleasingly coherent, articulate, organised and copious dissent over how Bioware have wrapped up this truly staggering space opera. Alarm bells went off throughout Mass Effect 3 when several vital characters were killed off in spite of all your choices, and in spite of your overwhelming abilities. I can deal with these fatalities, however, as they (by and large) fit with the motivations of the characters in question.

    But the end of Mass Effect 3 either is a triple-pronged bird-flip to loyal fans, or the most brilliant, open-ended, artful conclusion to a game I've ever seen. It goes without saying that BY GOD THERE ARE SPOILERS ALL UP IN THIS HIZZOUSE.

    Shepard, Anderson, two teammates and an Alliance troop movement charge the teleport beam, in order to reach the Citadel, open it up and activate the Crucible. However a Reaper starts razing the clearing you and your guys are bolting up, and when a beam gets close, Shepard blacks out and wakes up, bleeding, in what feels like a trippy dream sequence. He (or she) then ends up on the Citadel, encounters a ghostly version of the kid he couldn't save at the start of the game, and is given one of three unbelievably vague and largely tragic endings.

    Fans are pissed because, as I said, Mass Effect is all about choice and consequence, and being given three unnervingly similar cut-scenes which entirely fail to address a single facet of the individual Shepard's journey is either insulting, or not an ending at all. Fans have formed and rallied behind the #retakemasseffect movement, a movement with thousands upon thousands of vocal supporters, and who are donating to the charity Child's Play all the while.

    The Bioware forums are on fire with thousands of pages worth of dense theorycrafting regarding the ambiguous nature of the ending, namely the idea that everything from the pass-out is Shepard battling indoctrination and being tested; three endings are provided, one letting you to control the Reapers, one letting you force a new stage of evolution upon organics and non-organics, and one, highlighted as being evil by the star baby thing, letting you destroy all reapers and, apparently, all non-organics. All three apparently destroy or disable the Mass Relays, and all three leave the Normandy stranded on a lush planet with your crew intact. There are many, many musical cues, visual cues and narrative hints that help back this idea up. This theory is further bolstered by the fact that if you have a high enough preparation rating and choose the 'bad' destruction option, you see Shepard wake up in rubble, hinting that he succeeded in dishing out a huge fuck you to the Reapers indoctrination attempt, and then woke up in the rubble where he fell in the streets of London.

    And after my second play-through of the final act, I agree with this more and more. And to add credence to these theories, the official Mass Effect 3 twitter account has dished out the following words, vague though they may be:


    User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
    @masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


    User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
    @masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


    User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
    @masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


    User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
    @masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


    User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
    @masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


    User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
    @masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


    User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
    @masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


    User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
    @masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :)."

    And some more:

    User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. :( Good game though!
    Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk :)

    User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
    Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now :P

    User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
    Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?


    Whether they do a follow-up DLC revealing the truth of the ending, or verify this theory-crafting once the game has had a full global release, or even whether they tell us to shut the hell up, we deserve closure. Yes, it's their story. But by giving us thousands of choices throughout and shaping it in response to our whims, they've made it our story, too. And the vast, vocal majority of us aren't happy. As it stands, the ending is abysmal and poorly written, an ill-fitting end to the series, or it's a tantalizing whiff of impending genius. Either way, other games have fixed or altered endings (Broken Steel for Fallout 3, for one), and if any series deserved such treatment, it's this one. The next month should be an interesting one for Bioware.

    Either way, my assessment of the game stands: it's excellent. But if the ending really is as childishly cut and dry as everyone initially thought and Bioware do nothing to address it, it'll be a colossal waste of an opportunity on their part, and it'll very likely retroactively ruin the previous titles for many fans. And all over something that could be so easily remedied.

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    Regardless on whether this hallucination ending is true or not, Bioware is messing with their fans' heads quite a lot with this game. :salute:
  7. circ Prophet

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    Oh good god, it was even worse than I thought. One ending for everything.

    GUYS

    HOW CAN WE OUT DXHR DXHR???

    THINK BIOWAR

    UM

    YEAH UH

    WELL UH

    WE WE

    WE MAKE THEM ALL THE SAME??

    YOU ARE PROMOTED
  8. kazgar Liturgist

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    what am I supposed to be seeing in cromagnons image post the page before? I'm having a dumb moment.
  9. circ Prophet

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    A model of a kid with a generic name.

    And then a model of the same kid with more detailed textures with the name Harbinger.

    Beats me. I don't into Mass Effect.
  10. CROmagnon Learned

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    These are models of teh kid lifted from the game files.

    The second one has been renamed. It has HARBINGER added to it. As in Harbinger the Reaper, which implies the kid is actually Harbinger talking to Shepard.

    It's bullshit, but some people are becoming so depressed with the ME3 ending they would believe anything.
  11. Multi-headed Cow Cipher

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    Here, if you want to fight the good fight with your words register a console Mass Effect 3 to your account. 014633195859
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  12. Oriebam Formerly M4AE1BR0-something

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    ACHT-

    *clears throat*

    ATTENTION : It has come to my grorirous

    *hits self*

    *clears throat again*

    Gentlemen, whatever it is that the Red Letter Media people are planning for the Mass Effect series, they must not hold back. We need to make them seek the light of the rpgcodex. also there are a bunch of non-copyrighted jokes in this thread, ripe for the taking

    I can not do that as I do not have a twitter account. However, you can do it. The masses need to be shown that it is not alien to believe the industry is declining. That Mass Effect and most games always were shit. That Bioware doesn't make the best Science/Fantasy franchises EVAR.(and that claims like that/usual majestic vidyo gaymo jewnalism bullshit are not to be given pageviews attention or to be tolerated). That they push pornography romances, propaganda and the fucking abomination that they call writing pseudo-movieness as selling points for all games, destroying standards and thus declining the industry. And mankind.

    They forgot to remove DLC content from the disc that could be enabled with a simple .ini edit, and then accuse people who do that of piracy. That is not right.

    They attempt to extort their mentally vulnerable playerbase by introducing FUCKING SINGLEPLAYER GAME MICROTRANSACTIONS.

    For great :incline: we must do it.

    Send them the following videos and anything else related you can dig up. You must also assume they're not seasoned gamers with seven playthroughs of KOTOR. Send them all the most outright bullshit masturbatory articles by the "big ones" you can find, someone famous must call them out on this shit. I dunno, even some codex threads containing the truthz.

    :mob:








    I am sure there are more related videos, posted here in this thread, even.

    For a world where calling BSB is not frowned upon, where the Kodex Kritical Konsensus is the mainstream. Duty calls, BROS.

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    yes I know I could have written this better, but there were not enough people fighting the good fight with their overuse of memes words


    post some moar videos

    but srsly guise, there's some potential :incline: and guaranteed lulz coming out of this if we're lucky, I mean a friend of mine really liked the Star Wars prequels then I showed him Plinkett's Review's and then after being exposed to 70 minutes of logic several times over he had an epiphany about the shittiness of movies and has since repented. that's one mind being made against the :decline: amirite? also it's some p. lulzy shit you guys should watch it,I think the URL is www.redlettermedia.com
  13. yes plz Learned

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    Doesn't the game itself disprove the whole indoctrination theory? On Thessia (or however the fuck you spell it) when you finally find the Prothean VI thingy, it talks to Shepard and co. with no problem, but once Cerberus shows up it goes all "OH SHIT, PEOPLE WITH THE INDOCTRINATION DETECTED! GOTTA GO!", then later, once you get it back from Cerberus, it says something about no longer detecting the indoctrination taint.
  14. Commander Xbox Learned

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    the dlc ''new ending'' they are probably making right now will not solve a single thing that is wrong with the ending. you would have to rewrite the entire fucking game to achieve any viable endings that incorporate the players choices and have relevance to the series as a whole, and i dont think bioware is going to rewrite the deus ex machina child character and their shitty explanation for the reapers either. its just going to be an ending that has a completely new choice (save everyone!!) and some cutscenes where everything is happy and shepard marries tali. which is really what the biotards are upset about at the heart of the matter.
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    "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. Your touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."

    If it is contradictory or paradoxical then by the logic implied by Sovereign in the first game that means it is true. This is actually a defensive mechanism; as we all know any and all AI and any and all robots can be destroyed with a logical paradox. To counter this indomitable rule of logic-dependent beings the Reapers devise contradictions and paradoxes within all that concerns them so that organics will never be able to produce a logical paradox against them since the basis for that paradox would be a series of other paradoxes and contradictions.

    Seeing as how paradox absorbing crumple zones are little but the flimsy fantasy of Chicago computer utopians, this makes Mass Effect hard sci-fi.
  16. circ Prophet

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    ENDINGS THE DLC. NOW IN YELLOW. PURPLE. GREEN. OH WAIT WE COVERED GREEN. LOTS OF NEW COLORS.
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    I've also finished it. Thanks for summing up my thoughts for me.

    The rape on Insanity was brutal, though. And I liked the Tuchanka mission. The beginning, the ending (lollerskates) and the inside Geth mind bits were horribly lame, however. I wanted to make another run as a biotic initially, but now I don't think I will. Also, I support the hallucination/indoctrination theory, because otherwise what the hell?!

    I only wanted more of ME2 :( /andyman mode
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  19. Ulminati I'm watching you... Scum. Patron

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    It's funny how mass erect 3 seems to provide people with far more entertainment if they don't play it (and just watch the trainwreck from the sidelines) than if they did.
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  20. WhiskeyWolf RPG Codex Polish Plumber Patron

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    Yeah, that one could salvage a lot. But you forgot about one crucial thing consider that this would be the ending.

    Grandpa, turns around and looks at the sky. "And that, Timmy, is the end of the tale of Shepard and the human race. You see organics like that are too unstable and inevitably lead themselves to ruin. Now humanity is preserved for all time."
    "No." Comes the voice of the child from behind his back.
    Grandpa who in reality is the Reaper-God starts turning around in surprise. "What do you...?" Suddenly we see a hand collar-grabing him. It's Shepard in his adult form. "Didn't you hear me, old man? I said NO!" Then he comes back to reality and does his heroic shit saving the galaxy.
    :yeah:
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  21. Oriebam Formerly M4AE1BR0-something

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    hey guys have you raged today?


    http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment-headlines/ci_20173439

    it's hoopy time
    uh... but Mac Walters isn't even one of the original writers...

    Is the 95,000 lines of dialogue thing true?

    New Vegas had 80k, right?
    bullshit
    Uh... I'm p. sure it has less content than the last two games, actually, and that isn't much, see for example New Vegas.

    Fucking superman for the nintendo 64 was ambitious, that doesn't mean anything. I'm sure the it was challenging to optimize graphics for 7 years old hardware too, why are you prejudiced against tech people

    bro that's kind of like most games with sequels
    but you forgot to mention none of the details have any relevance to the plot, it's like saying shepard's hair color is important
    holeeeee fucking shit that's some fucking heavy C&C, those guys are almost on the level of japanese eroge(porn) games
    :hmmm:


    I'm sorry are you playing on a console?
    Strategy and pausing = RPG

    CS:S is an RPG because you can pause the game and it is competitive
    what the fuck are you saying

    YU CRITISIZE GRORIOUS BIOWARU GAEM?

    What happens if you choose one that doesn't?
    somehow = carelessly, senselessly, retardedly
    you're a smart guy mr. prf'shnal joornalist
    what

    the guy's name isn't even Rex
    expectations being something not half-assed
    Tell me more about the journey.
    Biowarean choices lead you to the ultimate results
    what if I LARPing Crispy with my shepards

    ....you're a codexer aren't you? :salute:


    anyway, how are even random unknown people in on this?




    I wonder if wikipedia is as much of a marketing tool as enlightening about the game

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare
    Hmm, those articles seem biased towards Bioware... I wonder if that can be fixed.
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    If you want to :x, there's nothing better than the BSN itself.

    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052/1

    So, was BioWare intentionally ambiguous?

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    :hmmm:

    I'm sure any rational person would be glad to know that you intentionally held back endings so you could sell them as DLC afterward.

    (Sad part is BioWare fans actually would).
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    After a google image search for "Tee Hee" I believe we can all agree that I have unearthed a gif that perfectly explains the codexian attitude towards Mass Effect herein present in this thread.
  24. Surf Solar cannot into womynz

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    If you enjoyed the combat and want to try out a biotic, I suggest to take a Vanguard. Pretty fun and different gameplay.
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    I un-ironically enjoyed finishing Rannoch with the best outcome. Would've been a pretty good end to a game in itself. :obviously:
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