The BioWare and Mass Effect Thread!

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If you think that this kind of set up was possible in KOTOR you will realize how much they have gone down the dunghill.

That's what I was thinking.

I mean, what the fuck? She was upset I'm sure, but wasn't Tali supposed to be intelligent and independent and emotionally strong? Why the fuck does she commit suicide rather than doing any number of other logical things? It's not just a gigantic cocktease (the mask thing), it's also completely out of character for her.

This introduces another question: why the fuck couldn't they just wait to upload the code, until after the battle was done? I did skip around a bit but it just seems like saying "let's do it later" would have completely negated any and all drama there.

I guess this is what BioWare meant about "hard choices" - decide between your squad members becoming spontaneously retarded and suiciding in the most fanfic-tastic ways possible, or the lives of millions. Because those are pretty fucking easy choices, knowing how annoying your average BioWare companion is.

I guess Bioware just found no way to give their story enough weight so they just decided to kill old and liked characters off left and right in hope of provoking some kind of emotional reaction from their players. Logic? What's that? This is hard sci-fi, it's not needed.

I LOVE YOU DR SAIUS!

The best part is that they completely fuck up even a basic suicide scene by leaving it to focus on Shepard leaning over the cliff, looking like he smelled something mildly unpleasant.

Because organics and synthetics can never get along, duh.

Of course he smelled something unpleasant. She wears that air-tight suit ALL OF THE TIME!

Or make shepard control the reapers and become the space rape god:

I AM SHODAN SHEPARDS!

Apparently the mini-Reapon on that planet is controlling the Geth somehow and they were ambushing the Space Gypsies and now that its dead, the Quarians will genocide the Geth. After Shepard allows Legion to upload the code, Tali orders their fleet to disengage but some other Quarian Admiral overrides her and orders everyone to press the attack. She begs Shepard to interrupt Legion's uploading and after it's clear that the Gypsies have lost the battle and are, practically, wiped out, she commits suicide. Best part is that Legion dies as well because apparently uploading the magical code is too stressful or something.

Yeah, fucking stupid. Order Legion to assume command and tell the Geth fleet to get hell out of Dodge, THEN upload the code in which case Shepard could mobilize both races to help Earth. Or Tali could just shoot Legion before he finishes uploading it leading into a situation where Shepard has to shoot her before she pulls the trigger (EXTREME!) or allow her to go through with it - which would fuck up their relationship anyway, as "you were willing to let my entire race be slaughtered!" is pretty high up there on the scale of dickish things to do to a comrade.

Fuck, did I come up with a better resolution for that "choice" than Bioware writers in 30 seconds?

No, she's always been space Aerie bro

When I designed current tech ship it was about


SRS and cooling 300 kW.
communications receiving and processing with cooling 140 kW.
Big optical sensor for long range deep space detection and short range detailed target identification. 300-800 kW.
High energy tight beam transmitting 800 kW.

About 1.8 MW cooling included.

Well there was that famous incident when two SSBNs hit each other because they both found a nice spot for loitering, and both moved in from different directions.
In addition there is a pump-jet propulsion.

There are more decoys than torpedoes that can be used against SSN before SSN would manage to strike back.

Space warships should have breach systems and operate in inert atmosphere when in combat. A few holes, in properly designed warship, are next to irrelevant.
Considering 130 days on sea is an incredibly long duty for a SSN, and a space warship done in current tech would need at least few years endurance for a single mission. Things are quite different.

I remember some person who said he was flying about 13 hours or so without interruption.

Are not high intensity CAS missions 3x a day, though they might switch the pilot, but it's more useful to have one pilot to who have already flew in that area recently.

A normal combat mission tends to be about 5 hours. Preflight preparations and amphetamine dose included.

Which air warfare are you talking about? WWII like dogfights, or current which does strange maneuvers at distance and plays with energy and long range missiles?

well there is third choice where you do exactly what you said. save both races, its just harder to get. just sayin

Sensors in space require a LOT of cooling - the MOST cooling out of all current technology. This is because superconductors are used, and they are used because in space they can reach the very very very low temperature that the materials need to display superconductive properties. At the same time, when you're running a current through zero resistance, the result is heat. And, again, these materials are not superconductive when heated up. Thus why space tech is one of major applications of cryogenics.

That boils down to an individual engagement then, more than a general rule, I'd say though I'm no expert of sub warfare. In any case, it doesn't really change my point which was that submarines firing torpedoes are not more visible than air planes firing missiles.

Well, I didn't intend to mean that a single little breach will immediately mean the destruction of either a sub or a space craft but that the tolerances are much closer to each other there than when comparing surface navies or air planes. Plus, even if the ship sinks, you still have lifeboats. If your submarine sinks, everyone dies - pretty much like in a space craft. Sure, you could install some sorts of lifepods but with the distances involved and the potential destructive energy of engines/magazines cooking off, I'd wager they would be as useful as that "escape door" in a sub.

Well, my point still stands - when was the last time even a B-52 or B-2 bomber undertook a 130 day mission? Never. Hence my argument that submarines are closer to any future space "navy" than the air force.

With satellite topography, navigational aids and AWACS support, I'd prefer to have rested pilot than one who has just flown in that area but that's just me. I don't know the operational doctrine of USAF, though I guess we have both read the same stories about Kwa pilots flying way too long in a row, pumped up with drugs to stay "sharp". And then end up bombing a wedding or something.

We should definitely take this into a thread of its own in GD or something though.

There actually is a way to wipe them both out by choosing to side with the Geth against the Quarians and then by choosing the destroy ending.

Not direct enough. Doing it right then and there would correlate with my direct wishes to DIRECTLY ELIMINATE the Geth AND the Quarians rather than killing them indirectly.

Direct. Directly. Indirectly. Directly.

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I would have preferred that Shepard control the Geth and wipe out the Quarians with them.

Wait Tali is now an Admiral?

Can't wait for the shitstorm in BSN,some quality trolling there by Mac and the other writers

And more importantly: Why can't Shepard fuck the Geth Prime?

It's not trolling, it's just incompetence and insanity.

They also make Garrus Primarch of the Turians(wtf).

Because an emotionally crippled two-face wannabe makes for a good leader.

Then perhaps the truth was there all along: both Geth and Reapers are sexbots who got tired rising to their master's command. When Reapers see what mankind does with EDI, they mobilize their Geth comrades and make a last ditched attempt to prevent the same thing as had happened before - masters awakening to the realization that their amusing talking dildo just gained a conscience.

"Does this unit have a soul?", asked the Proto-Geth, grinning at the Quarian and pointing down at the Geth-Crotch. And this is when the Quarian knew it, the robot knew too much. It was too late though, the Proto-Geth had already uploaded his conscience into the Social Sex Toy Network.